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why is it acceptable to poke fun at christians but not muslims?

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    (Original post by lulubel)
    why do mainstream comedians, politically correct commentators and prominent atheists etc always seem to poke fun at christians but never muslims?
    Hello Lulubel,

    Well, I think some of the reasons are the following:

    1. Christians are commanded by Jesus to love their enemies, pray for them, do good to them, bless those who curse them, and forgive. So, these commands don't exactly scare away people who like to make fun of Christians, which I actually think is fine. Although I personally don't like to be made fun of nor do I just take it like a doormat (I do tend to protest), it is important to me to obey Jesus' commands so people are safe to do what they like.

    2. Some Muslims tend to react violently to insults. This isn't new. If you read about what happened to Ka’b bin Ashraf, a Jewish poet who made fun of Muhammad, you will see that violence is a happens against some of those who dare make fun of what Muslims consider sacred. I think there are other cases of people making fun of Muhammad who were killed as well, during the time of Muhammad. Nowadays, people, such as the Danish cartoonist who drew the cartoon of Muhammad, have to live in hiding and are in danger as well.

    So, I think those are some reasons why it's "acceptable to poke fun at Christians but not at Muslims." = safety reasons

    Peace and God bless you
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    (Ignoring the 'Jewish supremacism' nonesense from the OP), it's not some big mystery. People don't want to get blown up. There is virtually no risk of this when mocking Christains, and quite a sizeable one when mocking Muslims. Simple as.

    Edit: It's not quite that simple. Many on the left seem to be of the opinion that this is somehow ok, with a sort of 'racism' of low expectations operating when it comes to these sorts of violent reactions.
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    (Original post by eggnchips)
    He call's himself an atheist is his manifesto.
    Quote and source?

    I'm just digging into his religious background, will get back to you in a moment.
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    (Original post by Christianlady)
    Hello Lulubel,

    Well, I think some of the reasons are the following:

    1. Christians are commanded by Jesus to love their enemies, pray for them, do good to them, bless those who curse them, and forgive. So, these commands don't exactly scare away people who like to make fun of Christians, which I actually think is fine. Although I personally don't like to be made fun of nor do I just take it like a doormat (I do tend to protest), it is important to me to obey Jesus' commands so people are safe to do what they like.

    2. Some Muslims tend to react violently to insults. This isn't new. If you read about what happened to Ka’b bin Ashraf, a Jewish poet who made fun of Muhammad, you will see that violence is a happens against some of those who dare make fun of what Muslims consider sacred. I think there are other cases of people making fun of Muhammad who were killed as well, during the time of Muhammad. Nowadays, people, such as the Danish cartoonist who drew the cartoon of Muhammad, have to live in hiding and are in danger as well.

    So, I think those are some reasons why it's "acceptable to poke fun at Christians but not at Muslims." = safety reasons

    Peace and God bless you
    If you know of Ka'b bin Ashraf then I'm assuming you know the whole of the Prophets life, correct?

    The Prophet was most forgiving to his enemies but at times, people had overstepped the boundary. I'm not sure entirely of the context but Ka'b was constantly defaming the Prophet and this isn't a light matter in the slightest.
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    (Original post by Anna150)
    Anders Behring Breivik is a christian.
    He said he was and then said he wasn't.

    Plus, he's probably mentally unstable.
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    (Original post by Reform)
    If you know of Ka'b bin Ashraf then I'm assuming you know the whole of the Prophets life, correct?

    The Prophet was most forgiving to his enemies but at times, people had overstepped the boundary. I'm not sure entirely of the context but Ka'b was constantly defaming the Prophet and this isn't a light matter in the slightest.
    Hello Reform,

    I have read a biography and some of other biographies concerning the life of Muhammad. I am sorry but I don't see killing a person to be commendable regardless of what he/she says and whether "defaming" is constant or not.

    Peace and God bless you
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    (Original post by eggnchips)
    He call's himself an atheist is his manifesto.
    (Original post by Breivik's manifesto (2083: A European Declaration of Independence), page 1398)
    Religion: Christian, Protestant
    Religious: I went from moderately agnostic to moderately religious
    (Original post by Breivik's manifesto (2083: A European Declaration of Independence), page 1403)
    I consider myself to be 100% Christian
    You would not believe how much he goes on about Christianity in his manifesto. Have you read it?

    He goes on a lot about culture rather than belief. He's not a fundie, but his extremism stems from his label of 'Christian'. In Scandinavian countries, there's a culture difference in that many people are 'cultural christians'. It may well be that Breivik is an atheist Christian. But he did describe himself as having gone from agnostic to religious, so I'd suggest not?

    He speaks about Dawkins with bitterness
    (Original post by page 1341)
    but he has a very clear agenda - to blame God and even the concept of God for all of man's ills. He seeks to prove that mankind would be so much better off without any moral anchor, and without any moral judge except ourselves.
    And says
    (Original post by page 1343)
    Even the most hardened atheist turns to Christ during his final hour
    Are we sure there is nothing on the other side? Many men thought there wasn’t an afterlife until just before they died. Here is a selection of the last words of well known atheists and sceptics before dying:
    However:
    (Original post by page1344)
    I’m not going to pretend I’m a very religious person as that would be a lie... I’m pretty sure I will pray to God as I’m rushing through my city, guns blazing
    (Original post by page 1307)
    If you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God then you are a religious Christian. Myself and many more like me do not necessarily have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God. We do however believe in Christianity as a cultural, social, identity and moral platform. This makes us Christian.
    So, in conclusion.

    He doesn't necessarily believe in the things, but he considers himself Christian, focuses his life and morality on Christian values and would pray to the Christian God.
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    (Original post by Reform)
    I'm not sure entirely of the context but Ka'b was constantly defaming the Prophet and this isn't a light matter in the slightest.
    So killing someone is an appropriate punishment for "defaming" Muhammad?
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    (Original post by simonbellringer)
    Hear hear!! It's a joke. I am not religious but I would stand up for Christians against Muslims any day, and it is irritating that Muslims seem to get preferential treatment, yet Christians do not go round bombing London or flying planes into skyscrapers.... Something is wrong here surely!!

    At Lichfield, I believe there is talk of building a mosque in the Cathedral grounds.... and if that is not taking the p*ss out of the Christians I don't know what is!!! I don't think it will go ahead but you never know nowadays...

    It's like foreigners shortening Britons to Brits, yet we cannot shorten Pakistanis to you-know-what's.....

    Or that BaaBaa Rainbow Sheep scenario, yet we can still have a White Christmas and not a Ranbow Christmas!!!

    Totally f****d up somewhere methinks...

    Though to be fair, a lot of the time it is the majority panicking that the minority may take offence when in fact they won't!! We have become too paranoid!!

    yet Christians do not go round bombing London
    2000 1 June: Real IRA bomb explodes on Hammersmith Bridge, London
    2000 20 September: Real IRA fired a RPG at the MI6 HQ in London SIS Building
    2001 4 March: The Real IRA detonate a car bomb outside the BBC's main news centre in London. One London Underground worker suffered deep cuts to his eye from flying glass and some damage was caused to the front of the building.[15] (See 4 March 2001 BBC bombing)
    2001 16 April: Hendon post office bombed by the Real IRA.
    2001 6 May: The Real IRA detonate a bomb in a London postal sorting office. One person was injured.[16]
    2001 3 August: A Real IRA Bomb in Britain explodes in Ealing, West London, injuring seven people.[17] (See 3 August 2001 Ealing bombing)
    2001 4 November: Real IRA car bomb explodes in Birmingham
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._Great_Britain


    On 28 September 2006, Robert Cottage, a former candidate for the British National Party, was arrested at his home in Talbot Street, Colne.[1] The police claimed to have recovered chemical components which could be used to make explosives. They believe it is the largest haul ever discovered in someone's home in England.[2] He was charged under the Explosive Substances Act 1883 on 2 October.
    There was no coverage of the arrests on the BBC, and very little in the national papers, beyond a paragraph in "Newsbriefs" in The Sunday Times,[7] as well as socialist newspaper The Morning Star.[8]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talbot_...mb-making_haul
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    I make fun of Islam all the time.
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    Some of the response to in this thread only confirm the irrational behaviour in general towards this issue, especially with response to the comedians poking fun at religion :sigh:
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    (Original post by simonbellringer)
    Apology accepted.

    Yes it is unfair that muslims are all tarnished.

    But since when do you hear of Muslims doing good things? You hear of Christian charities such as Christian Aid; I cannot think of a Muslim charity.

    Islam also seems to be somewhat backwards and harsh - they chop thieves' hands off in the Middle East (which is predominately Islam) - backwards!! I agree with a tough punishment but maybe that is a little extreme, though it would depend on the value of the stolen items....
    Well seeing as the UK is a predominantley Christian country, why would you hear of Muslim charities? There are many Muslim charities btw. Also why would you think that Muslims don't do anything good? What do you think we do all day? Plan terror attacks and chop off heads?
    Yes, many punishments may seem harsh, but they are surrounded by many conditions. For example regadring adultery, you need 4 witnesses to have seen the act, and not just a man ontop of a woman but of the actual penetration...and unless you invite round a few friends..it's going to be a bit hard to prove..same with the cutting of a thief's hand, the person's fiancial,mental state,etc are taken into consideration including things like the reason they stole...
    The laws are there more to prevent people from comitting immoral acts...
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    ive seen a few comedians with muslims involved...(funny thing is i havent seen a few with christians involved rather than general religion), but the point is, certain religions shouldnt be off limits if youre taking the piss...if you take the piss out of religion, you do it to any religion... there are too many people that go "OMFGWTFBOBBAFET" when they hear their religion get insulted...

    may seem sad but the point of comedy is to take the piss...im wondering if those who dont like their religion getting joked would laugh at another religion (assuming ideologies were nothing alike)...
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    I don't know about Islam, but from my experiences of Christianity there are a lot of guys with funny hats. Like, needlessly ridiculous hats and outfits. It doesn't mean I'm hating on the Christian faith though, I've just found the whole experience utterly bewildering like many others. I'm sure we'd make the same jokes about Islam if we knew more about it and weren't **** scared.
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    (Original post by Mequa)
    So killing someone is an appropriate punishment for "defaming" Muhammad?
    Depending on the context yes. (If anyone feels what I've said is unjustified and or wrong, quote me and explain to me with textual evidences why I am.)
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    eh. It's never really stopped me from joking around with it. If someone has a problem with it (or any religion I take the mick out of) It's their problem.
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    (Original post by Reform)
    Depending on the context yes. (If anyone feels what I've said is unjustified and or wrong, quote me and explain to me with textual evidences why I am.)
    What's the context?
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    Haha wheredya hear that, christians poke fun of muslims all the time, they call us terrorists and pig haters. Anyways, even I make fun of muslims and I am one, only in goodwill. Bit I would never make fun of some other religion, and of course not chritianity or judaism since they and islam he like very similar roots in their original forms :-P. And anyway, when I make friends I dont care wat religion, race, hieght, sexual orintation you are, an itshud b tht way fr everyone:-P. I suppose no religion shud make fun of the other, except their own if thry want
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    because muslim are fanatics and comedians know that if they piss muslims off they can be murdered, beheaded or blown up by them.
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    (Original post by Ayshizzle)
    What's the context?
    Tbh, I'm not entirely sure myself and I'm still researching the ins and outs of this topic. Perhaps someone with more knowledge can shed light on the issue.

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