[L18]

(Original post by Alpharius)
Roy never received the support from you kop fans, he had no chance.

****ing history re-written this.

The truth is that Roy had a strong backing when he first came in. All the Rafa-haters welcomed him with open arms, and those who didnt want Rafa to leave we're happy to give him the benefit of the doubt.

The problems began when he started his nonsensical press conferences, and reached the point of no return when he called only no show at Everton the 'best performance of the season so far'

It's a falacy that Liverpool fans wanted Dalglish in the summer. I don't know anyone who felt that way.

Infact, Roy Hodgsons biggest mistake was not not being Dalglish. It was that he wasn't Benitez.

[white_haired_wizard]

(Original post by River85)
Too expensive? Or maybe they just thought Hodgson is the better choice (as I believe he is) despite what media campaigns were saying?

it wasn't just the media campaigns, people had their own opinions and by and large, they seem to have favoured Redknapp. The British public, football pundits, the media etc...

It probably has boiled down to expense, the financial implications of paying off Spurs on top of paying Redknapp as manager.

And it probably matters little as to whether it's Redknapp or Hodgson as manager. They can only do so much on the touchline/dugout, and our players simply aren't as good as players in the Spanish, German teams, etc...

We'll have exceeded expectations and arguably overperformed, certainly if we make the final or perhaps even the semis.

I just want some good football to watch. The world cup in South Africa was poor in terms of good football and I hope the Euros can excite tbh.

[white_haired_wizard]

(Original post by L18)
****ing history re-written this.

The truth is that Roy had a strong backing when he first came in. All the Rafa-haters welcomed him with open arms, and those who didnt want Rafa to leave we're happy to give him the benefit of the doubt.

The problems began when he started his nonsensical press conferences, and reached the point of no return when he called only no show at Everton the 'best performance of the season so far'

It's a falacy that Liverpool fans wanted Dalglish in the summer. I don't know anyone who felt that way.

Infact, Roy Hodgsons biggest mistake was not not being Dalglish. It was that he wasn't Benitez.

Benitez was justifiably dismissed at Liverpool. Liverpool fans never really backed Hodgson. Just Dalglish fanboys. It's amused me that in the last week Dalglish has come out and said that there is too much emphasis placed on the league and not enough on the cups. The league should be bread and butter, yet Dalglish and Liverpool are so obviously focussing on the cups and winning them, because they've been left with no alternative due to their league form being so average and mediocre. The league is a truer indicator of where Liverpool are at.

Dalglish lacks ambition and needs to go. Which probably won't happen due to all the Kenny arse-lickers amongst the Liverpool fans and probably in the boardroom too.

Just a get out of jail card for Liverpool. "Let's go and win the mickey-mouse cup and try to win the fa cup, the fans will soon forget how genuinely crap we are".

[Zerforax]

(Original post by white_haired_wizard)
Benitez was justifiably dismissed at Liverpool. Liverpool fans never really backed Hodgson. Just Dalglish fanboys. It's amused me that in the last week Dalglish has come out and said that there is too much emphasis placed on the league and not enough on the cups. The league should be bread and butter, yet Dalglish and Liverpool are so obviously focussing on the cups and winning them, because they've been left with no alternative due to their league form being so average and mediocre. The league is a truer indicator of where Liverpool are at.

Dalglish lacks ambition and needs to go. Which probably won't happen due to all the Kenny arse-lickers amongst the Liverpool fans and probably in the boardroom too.

Just a get out of jail card for Liverpool. "Let's go and win the mickey-mouse cup and try to win the fa cup, the fans will soon forget how genuinely crap we are".

You don't think Roy was justifiably dismissed from Liverpool?

Dalglish is just trying to take pressure off the squad and give more of a high if we do win the FA cup. End of the day - I agree with Dalglish that I'd rather finish 8th/10th and win the FA cup + Carling Cup than finish 5th. Obviously everyone would rather we were winning/challenging for the league than domestic cups but we may as well be pragmatic and build for the future than have a nonsensical ambition to win the league this season.

[L18]

(Original post by white_haired_wizard)
Benitez was justifiably dismissed at Liverpool. Liverpool fans never really backed Hodgson.

Why was he?

If the squad that Roy Hodgson inherited was so awfuly bad, that even the worlds greatest manager in roy, couldn't lift them higher than 17th.

Than surely Rafa Bentiez overachieved with the squad he had when he finished 8th?

Never, in Rafas tenure at the club, did we have such abject surenders to ****e teams at home in the league.

And Roy Hodgson had the support of the fans, until he started talking ****.

[DontBeJelBeReem]

(Original post by TRS-T)
We normally get to the quarter-finals = Top 10 in the world

We have failed to do that in the last two major tournaments, we didn't even qualify for euro 2008, couldn't beat USA, couldn't beat Algeria, barely beat Slovenia then got deservedly thrashed by a wonderful german side.

[DontBeJelBeReem]

(Original post by River85)
Well, let's take the last 10 years as "recent".

Qualified for 2002 World Cup, beating Germany 5-1 on the way. Reached the Quarter finals and lost narrowly against the eventual winners (Brazil).

Qualified for 2004 Euros and reached the Quarter final. Lost to eventual finalists narrowly on penalities.

Qualified for 2006 World Cup and reached Quarter finals. Lost on penalities (again, to Portugal).

Didn't qualify for 2008 Euros and lost in the 2010 WC to the eventual finalists.

The last few years have been disappointing competitively, though blame needs to be shared among both players and coaching/management staff, but let's not forget that one or two other traditionally strong European teams have been poor in recent years (Italy in 2010, France since 2006). But in three of the five finals a quarter final (last eight) place has been achieved.

I have no objections to England being conisdered a "top ten" team (though I don't see a definitive top 10), it just needs to be remembered that there can be a big difference between and England, or even Portugal, and the world's true greats such as Spain, Brazil or Germany (though not necessarily in ability).

So in since 2006 we haven't even got to the quarter finals, and haven't reached a semi final since 1996. We failed to qualify in Euro 2008, and won 1 game in the world cup. We drew with Algeria and USA.. barely beating slovenia. That is not a top 10 team, you've referred to events that aren't so recent, and as of recent we have been awful in major tournaments.

[River85]

(Original post by DontBeJelBeReem)
So in since 2006 we haven't even got to the quarter finals, and haven't reached a semi final since 1996. We failed to qualify in Euro 2008, and won 1 game in the world cup. We drew with Algeria and USA.. barely beating slovenia. That is not a top 10 team, you've referred to events that aren't so recent, and as of recent we have been awful in major tournaments.

Well to me a "top ten" team doesn't need to get semi-finals, just qualify for tournaments consistantly and reach QFs (last eight) in most of those tournaments. Semi-final being the last four of a tournament.

I was just using 10 years as it's a reasonably long time in order to gain a general picture (as tournaments only occur every two years). Also, some key plays who featured in 2002/2004 still featured in 2008 - 2012.

The last two tournaments have been poor, I admit that, but who do you consider a "top ten" nation then, apart from the five or so obvious choices? My points is that other nations like France haven't been much stronger since 2006. They had a poor Euro 2008, only scraped past Ireland in the play offs for the 2010 WC, and had an even worse WC than England in 2010. Italy didn't have a great Euro 2008 and had a very poor WC in 2010. They DREW against NZ and finished bottom of their group. By comparison England's performance, qualifying from the group, however unconvincingly, and being knocked out by a strong, third place side, is a success.

I don't think there's some definitive top 10 (only five, if that). This is my point. I'm not saying England are world beaters and an awesome "top ten" side. But let's assume there is one, who would be in your top 10 and why those teams but not England.

Spain, Germany, Netherlands, Portugal, Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay. That's eight teams who are arguably stronger than England based on tournament performance in the last four years years (two tournaments). Who else and why these three teams, who probably consist of Russia, Turkey, Chile, Croatia and one or two others, instead of England?

[Femto]

(Original post by white_haired_wizard)
I'd love to know why the FA didn't at least approach Harry Redknapp.

He was such a strong favourite, nearly every pundit voiced their will to have him appointed, as well as numerous current England players, past and present internationals.

Perhaps Redknapp and/or the FA know something we don't, hence his not being approached for those reasons...

it simply doesn't add up.

Imagine you are interviewing two gentlemen for a top job...

One speaks five languages and has experience in the field of internationals already; he's a quiet diplomatic gentleman. The other has a dodgy track record, related to one of your disruptive employees, and you have to show him how to get in the door where he is pulling and the door says 'push' - "Sorry guv can't read or write or use a computer!" - hard choice really?

[TRS-T]

(Original post by DontBeJelBeReem)
We have failed to do that in the last two major tournaments, we didn't even qualify for euro 2008, couldn't beat USA, couldn't beat Algeria, barely beat Slovenia then got deservedly thrashed by a wonderful german side.

Have noticed that in qualifying we are always the best team in our group.

Like we never get a Spain or a Germany or an Italy in our qualifying group.

Why do you think this is?

I'll tell you why.

It's because we are a Tier 1 nation.

We are always in Pot 1.

And the reason why we are always in Pot 1 is because we prove it when we play matches that we are a top tier nation.

[DontBeJelBeReem]

(Original post by TRS-T)
Have noticed that in qualifying we are always the best team in our group.

Like we never get a Spain or a Germany or an Italy in our qualifying group.

Why do you think this is?

I'll tell you why.

It's because we are a Tier 1 nation.

We are always in Pot 1.

And the reason why we are always in Pot 1 is because we prove it when we play matches that we are a top tier nation.

You're gassed, as of today, based on recent performances we are not a top 10 nation. Now contradict that statement.

[Play-A-Record!]

The reaction to this appointment has only confirmed that Liverpool fans are nothing more than a group of deluded **** stains.

Roy > Kenny.

[River85]

(Original post by DontBeJelBeReem)
You're gassed, as of today, based on recent performances we are not a top 10 nation. Now contradict that statement.

So, instead of just petulantly negging my posts, are you actually going to reply?

You said England are not a "top ten" team, but you have failed to specify exactly what you mean by a "top ten" team or name the teams which you think deserve to be "top ten" ahead of England.

This is all I was getting at.

[DontBeJelBeReem]

(Original post by River85)
So, instead of just petulantly negging my posts, are you actually going to reply?

You said England are not a "top ten" team, but you have failed to specify exactly what you mean by a "top ten" team or name the teams which you think deserve to be "top ten" ahead of England.

This is all I was getting at.

woah woah woah, umad?

[River85]

(Original post by DontBeJelBeReem)
woah woah woah, umad?

What, claiming you negged? No as I know you did. Whether you intended to or not is another matter. I gave you the benefit of the doubt but noticed TRS' most recent post has also been negged.

Though I really don't care if you do neg (whether accidental or by mistake) providing you reply to posts.

[DontBeJelBeReem]

(Original post by River85)
What, claiming you negged? No as I know you did. Whether you intended to or not is another matter. I gave you the benefit of the doubt but noticed TRS' most recent post has also been negged.

Though I really don't care if you do neg (whether accidental or by mistake) providing you reply to posts.

yeah that was me, andwut.

[River85]

(Original post by DontBeJelBeReem)
yeah that was me, andwut.

As a sub I know it was you. It has your name right next to it. You don't need to admit to it.

Because you petulantly neg someone who happens to have a different view. Even worse, you don't even understand what that person is saying and make no attempt to reply to them and take part in decent discussion.

If you still don't want to reply to my thread, and just repeatedly state England aren't a "top ten" team, without mentioning your own top ten teams, that's fine. But I bid you adieu.

[Jim-Jam]

(Original post by white_haired_wizard)
Benitez was justifiably dismissed at Liverpool. Liverpool fans never really backed Hodgson. Just Dalglish fanboys. It's amused me that in the last week Dalglish has come out and said that there is too much emphasis placed on the league and not enough on the cups. The league should be bread and butter, yet Dalglish and Liverpool are so obviously focussing on the cups and winning them, because they've been left with no alternative due to their league form being so average and mediocre. The league is a truer indicator of where Liverpool are at.

Dalglish lacks ambition and needs to go. Which probably won't happen due to all the Kenny arse-lickers amongst the Liverpool fans and probably in the boardroom too.

Just a get out of jail card for Liverpool. "Let's go and win the mickey-mouse cup and try to win the fa cup, the fans will soon forget how genuinely crap we are".

I agree but look at the facts. Under Hodgson we were out of one cup and in the bottom half of the table, not to mention playing awful football.

Kenny turned it around and we finished 6th, but he has done ****e in the league this season, done well in the cups though.

You Arsenal fans are pathetic anyway, 'WENGER OUT!' *Wins a match* 'Wenger's a genius!' Suppose he does have all his Champions league trophies though, given his amazing record.

Oh, wait...

Seriously, it's just hypocritical mate.

If Carroll carries on like this then he has to go surely?! Bent won't be fit, We'll be wasting a place on Rooney, and Welbeck will probably go too.

[white_haired_wizard]

(Original post by Jim-Jam)
I agree but look at the facts. Under Hodgson we were out of one cup and in the bottom half of the table, not to mention playing awful football.

Kenny turned it around and we finished 6th, but he has done ****e in the league this season, done well in the cups though.

You Arsenal fans are pathetic anyway, 'WENGER OUT!' *Wins a match* 'Wenger's a genius!' Suppose he does have all his Champions league trophies though, given his amazing record.

Oh, wait...

Seriously, it's just hypocritical mate.

If Carroll carries on like this then he has to go surely?! Bent won't be fit, We'll be wasting a place on Rooney, and Welbeck will probably go too.

Where have you got me supporting Arsenal from?

I support Man United.