[Moleman1996]

(Original post by Molts)


I don't know how to respond to this stupidity.

ThePirateBay allows you to download anything. At ideology level, it is communism. At a political level, it is not

[Molts]

(Original post by Moleman1996)
ThePirateBay allows you to download anything. At ideology level, it is communism. At a political level, it is not

How so ?

And I was insulting the statement about "communist states like full control"

[Moleman1996]

(Original post by Molts)
How so ?

And I was insulting the statement about "communist states like full control"

can you provide any evidence to counteract that communist states generally prefer full control of what people can access? North Korea has its own internet, with government approved content only, they even pretend that Kim Jong Il invented the hamburger. China, controls what websites its citizens can access etc...

[PicardianSocialist]

(Original post by JacobW)
I don't see that your second premise is true. 'Idea' is an ambiguos term, but if we talk about concepts, which I would define (whether you agree with my definition or not is a moot point) as the sets of necessary and sufficient conditions for the correct use of words, whilst they themselves may not be scarce, the understanding of and ability to use them most certainly is--at least until we have some mechanism that can instantly transmit information into everyone's mind simultaneously.

I'm not sure I follow, my point is that if someone violates a patent or copyright, the integrity of the idea and of the existing products has not been damaged.

[Helloworld_95]

file sharing would be socialism not communism, communism is where everyone is considered equal, socialism is where there is no profit involved.

So yes I'm for it, Capitalism doesn't work as evidenced by the American healthcare system, which costs more per person than the UK system and provides worse care.

[FinalMH]

(Original post by Helloworld_95)
file sharing would be socialism not communism, communism is where everyone is considered equal, socialism is where there is no profit involved.

So yes I'm for it, Capitalism doesn't work as evidenced by the American healthcare system, which costs more per person than the UK system and provides worse care.

I think i mention during the thread, that people use to go without, now poor people are able to get things for free, so in that sense people are considered equal.

[Molts]

(Original post by Moleman1996)
communist states

This automatically tells me that this 'conversation' wont go anywhere really.

(Original post by Moleman1996)
can you provide any evidence to counteract that communist states generally prefer full control of what people can access? North Korea has its own internet, with government approved content only, they even pretend that Kim Jong Il invented the hamburger. China, controls what websites its citizens can access etc...

If you would have any proper understanding of leftist thought/theory, what ever you want to call it then you would know that none of these countries are even remotely socialist or communist.

(Original post by Helloworld_95)
file sharing would be socialism not communism, communism is where everyone is considered equal, socialism is where there is no profit involved.

I don't see why everyone is automatically labelling file sharing as socialist or communist. Just because something is provided for free does not throw it into this ideological stance.

[Moleman1996]

(Original post by Molts)
This automatically tells me that this 'conversation' wont go anywhere really.



If you would have any proper understanding of leftist thought/theory, what ever you want to call it then you would know that none of these countries are even remotely socialist or communist.



I don't see why everyone is automatically labelling file sharing as socialist or communist. Just because something is provided for free does not throw it into this ideological stance.

"Communist Party of China"
"Workers Party of Korea" formed by a merger between the Communist Party and the new Democratic Party.

You should probably try telling Kim Jong Un and the Chinese Premier that, they may not take it too well...

[prog2djent]

(Original post by muddywaters51)
bands and movie producers should be finding ways to profit off of it which is not too difficult.

Srs?

[muddywaters51]

(Original post by prog2djent)
Srs?

I once demonstrated that a band like Metallica could have made hundreds of thousands of dollars off of one song. This was a prudent value. It would also be a great way to advertise their music, increase exposure and advertise merchandise and albums.

Maybe Ill share it with everyone here one day. Metallica are very famous but even bands who average on popularity could have made decent money.

Their music is online for free anyway, they could have earned from this instead of complain

[Spaz Man]

Are you American by any chance because you have a very funny view of communism and China.

[Tedaus]

I buy songs and albums and films, etc. from bands/directors/etc. who I feel need the money and who deserve it. I don't see the big moral problem in illegally downloading music from a band that lives a life of luxury, while I live in the lower middle class.

Also, the amount of music/films/etc. available these days, it's impossible to get a decent collection with little money that I have. This makes capitalism ridiculous as it gets bigger and bigger, eventually imploding in on itself.

Not only that, but surely an artist should want their work to be seen, rather than to just earn money off of it. If a band or a director are just making it for the money, then they don't deserve to get more money from me tbh

[Carecup]

Offer a better service than the pirates offer then it won't be a problem.

Example: Spotify, Steam, Netflix etc.

[Tommo3]

99p per song? No, I'm not going to pay that when all it takes to distribute these songs is a tiny bit of electricity.

[Tommo3]

(Original post by Carecup)
Offer a better service than the pirates offer then it won't be a problem.

Example: Spotify, Steam, Netflix etc.

Steam is definitely the best example of this.

[mikeyd85]

Give me a website that does games, music and films for a monthly sum and an all you can eat policy and I'd be there in an instant.

[Mr Dangermouse]

I'm not Communist, but it's not my job to worry about how much money a business is making, and I'm not ethical enough to refuse to illegally download.

[Carecup]

(Original post by mikeyd85)
Give me a website that does games, music and films for a monthly sum and an all you can eat policy and I'd be there in an instant.

Games for all you can eat?

Considering the average game is 30+ hours of entertainment that seems more than slightly unfair for the publishers and devs.

[S_older]

I illegally downloaded communism, burnt some copies and sold them in the pub.

[mikeyd85]

(Original post by Carecup)
Games for all you can eat?

Considering the average game is 30+ hours of entertainment that seems more than slightly unfair for the publishers and devs.

Of course, you'd have a more expensive tier if you wanted to include games, but it'd be a workable system.