The problem with modern day hip hop
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Re: The problem with modern day hip hopmy favorite rappers are dead.. i guess times have changed and the industry has changed.. hiphop/rap eint how it used to be.. back when artists had the freedom to make music how they wanted it too, knowing that people would buy it if they actually like it.. But now everybody is mainstream, it doesnt pay to be underground. old school rap doesnt sell now, so artists are forced to make this crap pop music for radio and **** so i dont think it will ever be the same.. Wonder what the hip hop music industry would be if the likes of 2PAC and BIG were still here.. R.I.P.
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Re: The problem with modern day hip hopI could be here for hours just quoting Big L, he was just too good. Point is, subject matter doesn't mean **** about hip hop, The Chronic is another good example, people claim it's a classic album and "real hip hop" when the album is pretty much identical to what people release now. There is a lack of lyricists though as you said but there are good mainstream artists like J. Cole, Kendrick Lamar, Big K.R.I.T etc.(Original post by stefl14)
Yeah biggie rapped about a lot of B.S. Biggie is overrated as **** but he was still great and a good lyricist. There are other rappers who rapped about nothing deep but were still amazing lyricists. These days you have rappers who rap about **** and their rhymes are **** too. You don't have to be a great lyricist but at least rap about something deep. Pac wasn't as good a lyricist as the likes of Nas but he's still great because of his subject matter.
I don't always care about meaningful lyrics, but I want something clever, not B.S monosyllabic rhymes that are about as good as "yo, my name is joe, your mom is a ho".
We don't get clever **** like this anymore. I challenge anyone to find clever stuff like this. Fair enough it's not meaningful but it's good lyrically. Some Big L rhymes here.
"So don't step to this, cause I got a live crew
You might be kinda big but they make coffins yo' size too
I was taught wise, I'm known to extort guys
This ain't Cali, it's Harlem ***** we do walkbys"
A tech nine is my utensil
Fillin' ****** with so much led they can use they dick for a pencil
I'm known for snatchin' purses and bombin' churches
I get more pussy on accident then most ****** get on purpose
Step to this and get shanked up
I knocked out so many teeth the tooth fairy went bankrupt
Step to this and get shanked up
I knocked out so many teeth the tooth fairy went bankrupt
I got styles you can't copy bitch,
It's the triple six,
in the mix,
straight from H E double hockey sticks
"What's this mutha****in rap game without L? It's like jewels without ice, it's like China without rice or the Holy Bible without Christ"...
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Re: The problem with modern day hip hopIt wouldn't be that different, 2Pac would've been what LL Cool J, Ice Cube and Common are now and just become an actor and release new music occasionally. Biggie would've basically been what Jay - Z is now, I can guarantee that if 2Pac and Biggie were still alive today, they would get hated on for "selling out".(Original post by StraightUpG)
my favorite rappers are dead.. i guess times have changed and the industry has changed.. hiphop/rap eint how it used to be.. back when artists had the freedom to make music how they wanted it too, knowing that people would buy it if they actually like it.. But now everybody is mainstream, it doesnt pay to be underground. old school rap doesnt sell now, so artists are forced to make this crap pop music for radio and **** so i dont think it will ever be the same.. Wonder what the hip hop music industry would be if the likes of 2PAC and BIG were still here.. R.I.P. -
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Re: The problem with modern day hip hophmm i suppose.. but i think if pac and big were still alive i dont think they would have let the game "change" as much as it has now..(Original post by ThaChronic)
It wouldn't be that different, 2Pac would've been what LL Cool J, Ice Cube and Common are now and just become an actor and release new music occasionally. Biggie would've basically been what Jay - Z is now, I can guarantee that if 2Pac and Biggie were still alive today, they would get hated on for "selling out". -
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Re: The problem with modern day hip hop****... Yeah that's awful.
I wouldn't say that's modern day hip hop though... That's just **** hip hop.
There's still people holding it down like Yasiin Bey (Mos Def), the roots, Ded Prez, DJ Premier, etc. Although admittedly those are old acts doing new ****.
I don't really listen to any new artists TBH. I still have tribe called quest repeating in my car. -
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Re: The problem with modern day hip hopI don't really see why Pac & Big have this massive reputation & how you think they 'wouldn't have let hip hop change'....(Original post by StraightUpG)
hmm i suppose.. but i think if pac and big were still alive i dont think they would have let the game "change" as much as it has now..
Firstly Pac was overrated (my opinion), he would be top 20 if still alive. Biggie was ****ing awesome but a lot of his stuff was quite poppy. I mean if he was still around today he'd still be making songs with Sean Puff Diddy Willy for Christ sake.
To say they wouldn't have let the game change when there's Rakim, DJ Premier, Guru (until 2 years back), Nas, Q Tip, Slick Rick, etc still alive.... I think that's pretty disrespectful -
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Re: The problem with modern day hip hop(Original post by Steezy)
I don't really see why Pac & Big have this massive reputation & how you think they 'wouldn't have let hip hop change'....
Firstly Pac was overrated (my opinion), he would be top 20 if still alive. Biggie was ****ing awesome but a lot of his stuff was quite poppy. I mean if he was still around today he'd still be making songs with Sean Puff Diddy Willy for Christ sake.
To say they wouldn't have let the game change when there's Rakim, DJ Premier, Guru (until 2 years back), Nas, Q Tip, Slick Rick, etc still alive.... I think that's pretty disrespectful
tru tru.. i guess the games change, rap will never be the same.. like u said nas, common, icecube pdiddy are all still around.. i think possibly it cud be due to music downloading? (a long shot) BUT back in the 80's/90's all artists could make music how they wanted it to be listened to and if people liked it they would buy it.. Now with people downloading music for free.. the only way for new and upcoming artists to be recognised is mostly by radio/media and if they doing underground hiphop/rap that eint gonna happen.. Thats why those artists make mainstreamish music to get recognised cuz old school hip hop dont pay no more.. you can clearly see that in the uk with how grime artists turn mainstream cuz grime doesnt pay! -
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Re: The problem with modern day hip hopIce cube just announced a new album called everything's corrupt.(Original post by StraightUpG)
tru tru.. i guess the games change, rap will never be the same.. like u said nas, common, icecube pdiddy are all still around.. i think possibly it cud be due to music downloading? (a long shot) BUT back in the 80's/90's all artists could make music how they wanted it to be listened to and if people liked it they would buy it.. Now with people downloading music for free.. the only way for new and upcoming artists to be recognised is mostly by radio/media and if they doing underground hiphop/rap that eint gonna happen.. Thats why those artists make mainstreamish music to get recognised cuz old school hip hop dont pay no more.. you can clearly see that in the uk with how grime artists turn mainstream cuz grime doesnt pay!
Nas is recording one now me thinks. Although it might ruin his Previous rep to be honest.
Still. Lupe all way
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Re: The problem with modern day hip hopwhats your views on dre, snoop and the game right now?(Original post by killa78)
Ice cube just announced a new album called everything's corrupt.
Nas is recording one now me thinks. Although it might ruin his Previous rep to be honest.
Still. Lupe all way
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Re: The problem with modern day hip hopCouldn't agree more. The rap of Biggie and Pac is enhanced by the fact that they are dead and were big when they died. Someone calling either one of these two the greatest of all time doesn't know that much about hip-hop in my opinion or they are jumping on bandwagons. Don't get me wrong, a lot of what these two put out was brilliant. For example, Biggies verse on notorious thugs is dope. For what it's worth, I think both would have sold out just like Jay-Z has (Jay used to be sick) and I also think Big was better lyrically but Pac was far superior in terms of subject matter. IMO, these are a few who are better than both Pac and Big:(Original post by Steezy)
I don't really see why Pac & Big have this massive reputation & how you think they 'wouldn't have let hip hop change'....
Firstly Pac was overrated (my opinion), he would be top 20 if still alive. Biggie was ****ing awesome but a lot of his stuff was quite poppy. I mean if he was still around today he'd still be making songs with Sean Puff Diddy Willy for Christ sake.
To say they wouldn't have let the game change when there's Rakim, DJ Premier, Guru (until 2 years back), Nas, Q Tip, Slick Rick, etc still alive.... I think that's pretty disrespectful
Nas, Big L, Rakim, KRS one -
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Re: The problem with modern day hip hopSnoop is kinda mehh.(Original post by StraightUpG)
whats your views on dre, snoop and the game right now?
Sweat was terrible lol.
Young wild and free with Bruno mars and wiz suggested to me he's gone off the gangster stuff anyway.
Dre hasn't done anything since I need a doctor?
Can't make a valid opinion yet but I think he's more of a producer now lol.
Aren't we still waiting for detox? Haha
The Game still on it to be fair. Got his new mix tape the other day. Need to listen to it. But skate on was a choon (Y) -
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Re: The problem with modern day hip hopIt's why 90% of the 1000 odd hip-hop songs I have are pre 2006, I just hate the sound of everything nowadays.
I do feel kind of hypocritical for liking stuff like this:
They basically talk about money and **** like every other "hip-hop artist" in the charts now but actually make it sound good.Last edited by PapaShmurff; 02-05-2012 at 18:49.
