[goussberry]

(Original post by Anonymous)
5'8''

5'8 and 143lbs!?? I am JEALOUS hahaha. Let's not even go into how tall I am & how much I used to weigh & weigh now! haha

[razorfin]

(Original post by goussberry)
Any evidence to back this up? Find it hard to believe

Yes, of course, you're the one making assertions, I have given links in my previous posts that say as much as 'Timing is not important, its what you eat in a day' (paraphrased) That quote is from Alan Aragon, Mens Health contributing editor(US) who does nutrition for pro athletes and has a Masters in nutrition and writes for journals.

Number 1 is specific to what you're saying. And it should help you see where and why you believe what you believe.

http://www.leangains.com/2010/10/top...-debunked.html


Particularly interesting is the Thermic Effect of Food (TEF)

Everything said in this link is referenced.

Enjoy.

[goussberry]

(Original post by razorfin)
Yes, of course, you're the one making assertions, I have given links in my previous posts that say as much as 'Timing is not important, its what you eat in a day' (paraphrased) That quote is from Alan Aragon, Mens Health contributing editor(US) who does nutrition for pro athletes and has a Masters in nutrition and writes for journals.

Number 1 is specific to what you're saying. And it should help you see where and why you believe what you believe.

http://www.leangains.com/2010/10/top...-debunked.html


Particularly interesting is the Thermic Effect of Food (TEF)

Everything said in this link is referenced.

Enjoy.

passive aggressive much? tone down the testosterone! lol.

All my "assertions" and what I believe are from my EXPERIENCE and what has worked for me & a lot of other people I know who have lost weight and kept it off, not what studies are telling people, or what celebrities or "body builders" say because there are so many conflicting opinions and different "facts" out there that I've tried and tried different methods, stupid methods, and nothing worked until what I've just suggested. You're the one trying to debunk me when you're acting as if you know exactly what progress I've made, if I even work out/lose weight, and from that "article" you linked me to, make out that I just parrot back information like I'm mindless. Don't you make implications of ignorance before you know the full context.


PS: Just because things are referenced, doesn't make the study/source from which they're referenced reliable... As someone who also studies Psychology, which involves evaluating studies & their weaknesses/confounding variables I can say that with due confidence. Wikipedia is referenced, not exactly the most trust-worthy source around now, is it?

[razorfin]

(Original post by goussberry)
passive aggressive much? tone down the testosterone! lol.

All my "assertions" and what I believe are from my EXPERIENCE and what has worked for me & a lot of other people I know who have lost weight and kept it off, not what studies are telling people, or what celebrities or "body builders" say because there are so many conflicting opinions and different "facts" out there that I've tried and tried different methods, stupid methods, and nothing worked until what I've just suggested. You're the one trying to debunk me when you're acting as if you know exactly what progress I've made, if I even work out/lose weight, and from that "article" you linked me to, make out that I just parrot back information like I'm mindless. Don't you make implications of ignorance before you know the full context.


PS: Just because things are referenced, doesn't make the study/source from which they're referenced reliable... As someone who also studies Psychology, which involves evaluating studies & their weaknesses/confounding variables I can say that with due confidence. Wikipedia is referenced, not exactly the most trust-worthy source around now, is it?

I used to eat between 6-8 meals a day, btw. But it's unnecessary

Experience is BROSCIENCE, not fact. Fair enough if it works for you, thats fine, well done keep it up. I also dont care about your progress, and i believe you if you've done well, congrats. But the OP has said she binges, leangains or IIFYM allows you to binge, 6 small meals does not.

Everything in the links is science, studies and masses of experience.

Yes i do the no eat until 12 or 1. Having 3/4 large meals is easy, I'm never hungry.

True, Wikipedia isn't the most trustworthy but i didnt reference it. But you did ask for evidence and I gave you it. 2 well known nutritionists/trainers, 1 of which writes for a top mens mag and for scientific journals, with a boatload of evidence and experience, are. As are other contributors on BB.com, who are nutritionists and dieticians.

Thanks for the 'ignorance', but you're the one being ignorant by spouting experience over fact. And I gave you that article to show you were your assertions were factually incorrect, to help you, I didn't join this thread to be a douche, just to help.

[Anonymous]

(Original post by goussberry)
5'8 and 143lbs!?? I am JEALOUS hahaha. Let's not even go into how tall I am & how much I used to weigh & weigh now! haha

Lol I'm also a 32G Comes with the fact that I gain most weight around my midsection. I'd love to go down a few cup sizes and obviously lose the stomach fat and have more of a defined waist. That's my ultimate goal out of all this. I might not be 'overweight' but I gain it in the most unflattering places

tell me! are you trying to lose weight now or are you happy with your weight?

[goussberry]

(Original post by Anonymous)
Lol I'm also a 32G Comes with the fact that I gain most weight around my midsection. I'd love to go down a few cup sizes and obviously lose the stomach fat and have more of a defined waist. That's my ultimate goal out of all this. I might not be 'overweight' but I gain it in the most unflattering places

tell me! are you trying to lose weight now or are you happy with your weight?

32G!!! Get out of here, seriously? And here's me with at 5ft4 and 32C. I WISH I had your boobs haha. TBH tho you gain in an okay area... You can suck in and it looks flat! lol (jk - do sit ups haha)

I shall tell you! Lol, I am a lot happier with my weight now than when I started which I think counts for something... I lost a noticeable amount of weight off my hips, & waist & thighs (I never did the BF% or inches or anything, just used the mirror and how I felt about it). BUT, I still have a little way to go not too much, maybe 5-6kg. During that period, I maintained my weight (a bit heavier than I am now) for a few months as I had a lot going on, and training was not such a priority, then recently I got back into the swing of losing the weight again

[Anonymous]

(Original post by goussberry)
32G!!! Get out of here, seriously? And here's me with at 5ft4 and 32C. I WISH I had your boobs haha. TBH tho you gain in an okay area... You can suck in and it looks flat! lol (jk - do sit ups haha)

I shall tell you! Lol, I am a lot happier with my weight now than when I started... I lost a noticeable amount of weight off my hips, & waist & thighs (I never did the BF% or inches or anything, just used the mirror and how I felt about it). BUT, I still have a little way to go not too much, maybe 5-6kg and then I'll re-evaluate.

Yeah, G sounds massive but its not as big as you imagine...but still too big!! I have wide hips which kind of balances it out.

We all want what we can't have - I'm so jealous of people who have really trim torsos with smaller boobs. That's never gonna happen for me, but my chest is the last place I lose weight from, along with my stomach and face, so that's why I want to lose weight, even if Im technically not overweight.

I do loads of sit ups! Every day. I might have abs of steel for all I know but you can't see it under the fat

Same - 6ish kg is the goal for now, then I'll see how the situation is and decide if I need to lose more. I've been a lower weight than than before but now I reckon I have more muscle mass than I did then so I might not need to lose as much as I think.

If only I ACTUALLY lose it lol, hence this thread! We should encourage each other

[goussberry]

(Original post by razorfin)
I used to eat between 6-8 meals a day, btw. But it's unnecessary

Experience is BROSCIENCE, not fact. Fair enough if it works for you, thats fine, well done keep it up. I also dont care about your progress, and i believe you if you've done well, congrats. But the OP has said she binges, leangains or IIFYM allows you to binge, 6 small meals does not.

Everything in the links is science, studies and masses of experience.

Yes i do the no eat until 12 or 1. Having 3/4 large meals is easy, I'm never hungry.

True, Wikipedia isn't the most trustworthy but i didnt reference it. But you did ask for evidence and I gave you it. 2 well known nutritionists/trainers, 1 of which writes for a top mens mag and for scientific journals, with a boatload of evidence and experience, are. As are other contributors on BB.com, who are nutritionists and dieticians.

Thanks for the 'ignorance', but you're the one being ignorant by spouting experience over fact. And I gave you that article to show you were your assertions were factually incorrect, to help you, I didn't join this thread to be a douche, just to help.

I'm just saying, you used the argument, "look! it's referenced! therefore it must wallop your argument because it has references!" obviously I'm exaggerating for effect but that was the implication.

I asked for evidence not in a "I don't believe you, you're chatting ***" kind of way I asked for evidence BECAUSE I was sceptical. Then you directly said along the lines of "that first point is for you" - which implied "because I believe YOU are spouting ***"

How am I being ignorant by sharing experience over facts? How is what works for me, "factually incorrect"? If I sat, here, and pretended to be some buff gym-rat when I was actually some 300lb chick, fair enough I may be spouting "incorrect assertions", but that's not the case. I never once stated to this OP that "follow my method and you will be where you wanna get" thus never made any assertions. If you read my comments as "assertions" that is your own damn problem, but as the person who knows what I had in mind when I wrote it... They were not assertions. I've had success with my method, she asked for advice, I gave it to her with confidence because it has worked for ME, but I did not promise her, and I will not promise her, that it will definitely work for her as she has a completely different biochemistry to me which will certainly impact on her weight loss. But it is one method for her to consider, and if she wants she can see if it works for her. And I also never once asked you to care about my progress? I don't know you, I wasn't looking for your empty sarcastic praise, I mentioned it only because it is a possible method that might work for OP as I said.

Do experiments, and studies, not count as experience?? You manipulate an IV (independent variable), and the DV (dependent variable) is the experience they have had, the "facts" of the IV manipulation, if you will. So... Do facts not come from experience? So if facts come from experience... My "assertions" cannot be factually incorrect as they also count as facts? It's a fact that I, personally, lost weight from my method. You're the one making faulty assertions now big guy

[goussberry]

(Original post by Anonymous)
Yeah, G sounds massive but its not as big as you imagine...but still too big!! I have wide hips which kind of balances it out.

We all want what we can't have - I'm so jealous of people who have really trim torsos with smaller boobs. That's never gonna happen for me, but my chest is the last place I lose weight from, along with my stomach and face, so that's why I want to lose weight, even if Im technically not overweight.

I do loads of sit ups! Every day. I might have abs of steel for all I know but you can't see it under the fat

Same - 6ish kg is the goal for now, then I'll see how the situation is and decide if I need to lose more. I've been a lower weight than than before but now I reckon I have more muscle mass than I did then so I might not need to lose as much as I think.

If only I ACTUALLY lose it lol, hence this thread! We should encourage each other

Well if you don't like them then fair enough :P wide hips big boobs.. Can we just swap bodies please? haha. No I'm not criticising you for wanting to lose weight like some other posters were, if you wanna lose weight then that's great hmmm then yeah, diet change would probably help if you do loads of sit ups

Yes we should! it's always easier to that. Yeah 6-ish kg, maybe 10 but I don't wanna overdo it too quickly... Do you do any other kind of resistance/weight training? (crunches aside - I assume no because I got the impression you don't use a gym) :P

[Anonymous]

Nope, no resistance apart from crunches, and I don't use a gym; I go for runs in the great outdoors when I can be bothered.

Incidentally, I ate about 2060 cals yesterday and this morning I feel better than I have in the last week or so, I reckon 1300/1400 was too low (i tend to overestimate calories rather than under as well). My stomach feels flatter and just generally more toned and strong, maybe because I've got more energy.

Gonna start eating 1500-1600 a day.

Thanks to everyone in this thead, the guy promoting 16 hour fasts looks interesting, I already kind of do that though seeing as I often don't eat until about midday.

[RolyBholi]

(Original post by Anonymous)
Nope, no resistance apart from crunches, and I don't use a gym; I go for runs in the great outdoors when I can be bothered.

Incidentally, I ate about 2060 cals yesterday and this morning I feel better than I have in the last week or so, I reckon 1300/1400 was too low (i tend to overestimate calories rather than under as well). My stomach feels flatter and just generally more toned and strong, maybe because I've got more energy.

Gonna start eating 1500-1600 a day.

Thanks to everyone in this thead, the guy promoting 16 hour fasts looks interesting, I already kind of do that though seeing as I often don't eat until about midday.

Hey, OP I'm in a similar situation to you, in fact I was going to make the exact same entitled thread

I'm 5ft10 and currently weigh 10.4st, which I know is fine for my height, but like you, I looked and felt better when I was at my lowest weight of 9.11st. I just want to lose my stomach flab, too!

I'm going to the gym 3x a week- doing cardio and using the weight machines on my legs, and I'm dripping sweat by the end of it- and eating well but my weight hasn't gone down at all in the past 3 weeks! No idea why!

Glad you made the thread though, interesting to see what people are saying.

[Bimbleby]

(Original post by hr30)
It's worth keeping in mind that just counting calories does not necessarily promote weight loss.

I have a friend who was on a 1200 calorie diet, and ate daily a macdonalds meal that was 1100 and a cereal bar. She didn't lose weight because she a) put her body into starvation mode and b) wasn't getting the nutrients she needed.

Try combining all the exercise with a slimming plan like Slimming World. It lets you eat lots of the things you'd normally eat, but cuts out fatty foods, meaning you're not counting calories daily and putting your body under unnecessary stresses and strains.

Just not true. If you count calories accurately and don't miss out anything, you will lose weight. Your body will always slow down when you're losing weight (unless you're overweight) because it wants to hang onto energy. It goes back to normal once you come out of a calorie deficit. Your friend was either eating more than she thought or more than she said, or she was tiny, or she would have eventually lost weight on that amount. The most I ever lost in a short period of time was when I was very stressed and only ate McDonalds. Your body can't maintain itself on no energy just because what you're eating isn't healthy. Your body doesn't distinguish between calories like that. If you eat 2000 calories of apples it has the same effect on weight as 2000 calories of lard. The difference is that if you eat lard you'll feel awful and be hungry and if you eat a balanced diet you'll feel better and fuller. Counting calories isn't great, I agree, but it's not physically possible for your body to better ustilise calories just because they're 'unhealthy' calories.

[Octohedral]

(Original post by Cake Faced Kid.)
Paha. I'm so sick of seeing people post about eating disorders when they clearly have no ****ing clue.

Weighing yourself after a week? How about fifteen times a day.
Unsure about grapes? Try unsure about using moisturiser, in case the oil seeps through your skin and causes you to absorb calories.

The reason OP thinks she has not lost any weight could be due to several reasons.
1. Water retention, especially if salty foods have been consumed.
2. Weighing at different times of the day. (Does not take extra food/drink consumed)
3. Hormonal changes, stress. Cortisol in particular could lead to weight gain.
I'm not a doctor, there could/are other reasons.
Try waiting a few more weeks to see a difference, if nothing happens by then, maybe try cutting out the chocolate that you snack on and saving it for an occasional treat.

This is a peer support and student forum - what do you expect? We're here to try to help, not be experts.

[McHumpy92]

wrong thread somehow

[Nomes89]

(Original post by Anonymous)
Nope, no resistance apart from crunches, and I don't use a gym; I go for runs in the great outdoors when I can be bothered.

Incidentally, I ate about 2060 cals yesterday and this morning I feel better than I have in the last week or so, I reckon 1300/1400 was too low (i tend to overestimate calories rather than under as well). My stomach feels flatter and just generally more toned and strong, maybe because I've got more energy.

Gonna start eating 1500-1600 a day.

Thanks to everyone in this thead, the guy promoting 16 hour fasts looks interesting, I already kind of do that though seeing as I often don't eat until about midday.

It sounds like we've got very similar body types and eating habits! Strange ha. My main goal is also to lose 10 lbs and I want the stomach fat gone. I don't eat breakfast because like you a) don't have the time and b) i'm just not hungry. I'm happy with my progress so far as I've lost a lot of the flat from my stomach and it's pretty much never bloated now like it always used to be even after the smallest of meals and i think a good month of solid exercise and clean diet i might see the first signs of definition

Sign up to MyFitnessPal, it's good for tracking calories. Maybe try walking/running instead of walking/jogging because I'm not sure it's intense enough plus find some way of doing weights.

[Elf.]

(Original post by JohnC2211)
Yes it is.



But clearly you don't know how to use it.



Again, total bullpoop.

http://www.realsimple.com/health/nut...385/page2.html

"Food intake has a negligible effect on metabolism. Some foods, including those with caffeine, may slightly and temporarily increase metabolism, but the effect is too small to help you lose weight. What most affects your basal metabolic rate (BMR), the rate at which your body burns calories at rest, is body composition and size."



“The notion [of high meal frequency] has been put into question by the recognition of a high level of dietary underreporting in overweight individuals. In addition, no difference in total daily energy expenditure has been documented as a function of daily meal number. Weight loss is not facilitated by high meal frequency. Snacking in obese subjects is associated with higher energy and fat intake.” - France Bellisle, Scandinavian Journal of Nutrition, 2004 edition.


http://lmgtfy.com/?q=small+frequent+...etabolism+myth

So you really can't do anything about your BMR? Just eat three normal meals? Surely, its regular times of meals that works though. And no snacking. And reasonable exercise.

[AjCorbell]

If you're in a calorie deficit you will lose weight, makes no real difference how clean your cals are, or how much exercise you're doing, as long as you're in a deficit.


You're probably not counting your cals accurately, or there is something you're not telling us.

[Sophie1985]

http://www.the-healthy-omnivore.com/...orie-out-myth/
please please please read this, i am finding so much info indicating that the law of thermodynamics ie calories in vs calories out does not apply to loosing weight on the long term! Different types of food react differently in the body and some promote weight gain (ie processed carbs) more than others regardless of calories.

[Sophie1985]

(Original post by AjCorbell)
If you're in a calorie deficit you will lose weight, makes no real difference how clean your cals are, or how much exercise you're doing, as long as you're in a deficit.


You're probably not counting your cals accurately, or there is something you're not telling us.

i have been finding a lot of research that suggests otherwise. A plate of pasta that is 500 calories will promote more weight gain than a vegetable/chicken dish of 700 calories because carbohydrates will require a high insulin response from the body compared to the other meal, making the body store more fat. There is lots of literature on the subject, this is just the most recent i found
http://www.the-healthy-omnivore.com/...orie-out-myth/

[Yohan]

by the sound of it you've hit a plateau, happens to everybody on a diet basically so nothing to worry about, basically what happens is your metabolism adjusts to your new diet and slows itself down to keep your energy levels up, starving yourself will make it worse if anything, just keep doing what you were doing and it'll give way, could take a few days could take a week or more but it will deffo end sooner or later, might happen a few times during your diet but just keep on going through it, if you're going for a big weightloss it'll likely happen a few times the key is not to starve it and not to give up because you think the diet has failed.