David Cameron: "The time has come for gay couples to marry"

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It's not really democrats fault. It's only recently that America's public support for gay marriage outweigh their opposition to it. Support for gay marriage has risen by 20% in 16 years. I wouldn't be surprised if it's past between the next 10 years. I don't think democrat politicians oppose it.

Neither Democrats, nor Centrist Republicans (the few that are left that is), oppose same-sex marriage; its been passed state-after-state in the past few years, with majority Democrat support and minority Republican support combined. Indeed, as you mentioned, given the majority of the public support same-sex marriage, there are suggestions that President Obama may announce the legalisation of same-sex marriage come the Democratic National Convention.

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MirandaPanda

Original post by Happydude

I think that it is down to differences in how our countries are governed, rather than reluctance to allow it.

Indeed; most of the US public supports same-sex marriage, as with the case here in the UK.

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Mad Vlad

Original post by Martyn*

He's doing this for votes. It is as plain as the scar on Helen Mirren's cheek.

Whose votes? ~3-6% of the population? Hardly a massive group of people.

Reply 23

Skip_Snip

Oh look it's May 3rd, and not 10pm yet

Reply 24

LionKingLover94

I can't imagine his far-right party members are too pleased with this. Still, anything that ****es them off makes me happy :cool:

Reply 25

lightburns

Original post by Perseveranze

Disappointing to say the least.

If by granting gays marriage rights increases their willingness to "come out", then I can see nothing good or progressive in this. I fear that the social pressure will inevitably increase, and the statistics for depression and suicides will also be higher.

For a mere title, it was/is not worth it.

What? Social pressure will increase? Depression will increase? Surely, pressure will decrease as a minority group will get closer to an equal status, and therefore will be less depressed, and less suicidal?

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tieyourmotherdown

Original post by badcheesecrispy

'I support gay marriage because I am a Conservative' -LMAO one of the most contradictory clown statements I've ever seen hahahaha

Eh?

If conservatism wanted literally everything to always stay the same then they'd still support slavery, the death penalty and be opposed to female suffrage. The reality is that the ideology is perfectly open to change providing that it's incremental and society has shown a demand for that change. Equally a hallmark of conservatism is preserving institutions, yes, however when those institutions show themselves to be becoming less relevant, they accept that change is necessary.

So in other words, in 2012 supporting gay marriage in the name of conservatism is actually quite sensible.

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Reply 27

lightburns

Original post by jamieguitar101

I'm in no way homophobic but should the goverment have a say on religion?

I don't think Cameron is forcing it on Churches. Remember that if you want Churches to have complete freedom of who they marry, then you would also have to allow, say, if a Church was racist and refused to marry mixed-race couples.

Anyway, marriage isn't a religious thing - atheists are called married couples after all.

Reply 28

badcheesecrispy

Original post by tieyourmotherdown

I get the impression that you don't really understand conservatism ...

Yes I do, that it might be more economic than social doesnt change the meaning of conservative :biggrin:

also we know many Torys and traditionally conservative people are against gay matrimony

Reply 29

patrickinator

Original post by Perseveranze

Once again coming out with all the *******s!

Reply 30

NB_ide

Original post by Mad Vlad

No.

Why can't we? Why shouldn't two people of the same gender get married? Are you stuck in 1995 or something?

Reply 31

LionKingLover94

Original post by tieyourmotherdown

I get the impression that you don't really understand conservatism ...

Clearly neither do you....

Reply 32

Violet_apple

This sounds super silly but I'm all teary eyed and happy about it. I know we're past all of the really bad homophobia and I've never had to experience it but I never thought that I'd be able to get married. Even when I was a tiny little kid I knew that a woman doesn't marry a woman. And now I know that I will probably be able to. I never even entertained the idea of me getting married ever and now I'm daydreaming about rainbow coloured cake and stuff. :biggrin:

Reply 33

Mad Vlad

Original post by NB_ide

Why can't we? Why shouldn't two people of the same gender get married? Are you stuck in 1995 or something?

What the **** are you on about? :lolwut:

Clearly you're not following what I'm saying. I'm saying - no, gay couples don't have to get married. I also don't like your use of "we" - your incoherence is making me think you're asking me to marry you. :lolwut:

Reply 34

Venomilys

yay! Gay marriage! We 'da progressive ones man :tongue:

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Reply 35

goape

Original post by Martyn*

He's doing this for votes. It is as plain as the scar on Helen Mirren's cheek.

rational vote maximising

Reply 36

buchanan700

Great. I will allow him to stay for a a little while as long as he makes this happen.

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badcheesecrispy

Original post by Violet_apple

Im so happy for you :smile:

Nothing wrong with lesbianism and I think most straight males would agree with me... :biggrin:

Every person should be allowed to marry who they love as I believe that is what marriage should be based on. religious arguments dont come into it as atheists are married as has been said. Hope you get to marry the woman of your dreams :biggrin:

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chickenonsteroids