[DorianGrayism]

(Original post by MrJim)
If you look at the immigration debate through the frame of a liberal, philosophical mindset then any kind of discrimination (in it's true, full sense) is more or less abhorrent. It's not realistic though, if you want an example of why, Trevor Phillips, the former equality minister once said there should be less E.Europeans coming to the UK because, basically they aren't politically correct enough.

What he actually meant was, they are white, but some of them aren't very liberal. We can only tolerate higher levels of conservationism in immigrants if it is found in a group fetishized and racialized as an "other". Otherwise the concept of white guilt is under threat, all these nasty nazis might come and spoil our beautiful multiculturalism. Surely someone sees the massive hypocrisy in what Phillips said? Basically, you can be a reactionary bastard, as long as you aren't a foreigner and if you are a foreign reactionary bastard, you have to be none white, because then useful idiots can label your views as being part of a different, but equal culture and say that it is not for us to criticize.

No, because he didn't say that. That is why you cannot quote it.

[MrJim]

It was apparent through his comments and overall policy.

[whyumadtho]

(Original post by Dux_Helvetica)
It's hard to stereotype a whole vast swathe of the population. You get some good, integrated apples, and some bad, less integrated apples.

Integrated into what, specifically? The only thing people must follow is the law. For example, you cannot be integrated into the culture of a fundamentalist Catholic and that of a Satanist simultaneously, so how can somebody be uniformly more or less integrated with everyone in the country? For every action you take or belief you hold, you make yourself closer to and more distant from various individuals in the country.

Oh, and unpopular as this statement may be, going to Mosque is not what I would call British behaviour. Britain is at its core a secular country of Judeo-Christian heritage (emphasis on Christian).

These are incompatible concepts. It may have a heritage as a Judeo-Christian nation, but presently, its secular nature permits the cohabitation of multiple religions, beliefs or lack thereof outside of the state. Is a native British atheist as disintegrated from 'British culture' as a Muslim? What about a native British antitheist or Satanist?

In what way does this belief system necessarily and uniformly (implied by stating it is not British behaviour) distance all practising Muslims from all native Britons? Does this not presuppose the traits of other Britons, despite you having no evidence to make claims of their compatibility and incompatibility with persons of various faiths?

If we are defining 'culture' as the collective achievements of a nation, then anybody who is residing in Britain is a contribution to the nation's culture, regardless of what they do. Criminals are the most incompatible people with a society, yet many criminals have contributed to the cultural history of the country or a particular part of it—Guy Fawkes and the Kray Twins, for example.

(In before "what are you to define what British behaviour is or not?")

But it is fundamental to your argument to have an agreed-upon definition of 'Britishness'.

[MrJim]

(Original post by DorianGrayism)
No, because he didn't say that. That is why you cannot quote it.

"Some eastern European people have attitudes to black people that date back to the Fifties," he told BBC television. "And that is not acceptable."

He doesn't need to have said exactly what I said, but I didn't accuse him of doing. I was simply explaining the mindset of people overly consumed by J. Schumpter's ideas on how to safeguard against fascism.

[internet tough guy]

(Original post by A Mysterious Lord)
LOL, public poll.

OP's probably going to stalk every single one of those people who voted to make sure they're not asians

[Ahumsk]

Why associate "foreign" with "inferior"? Many countries have ethnic minorities that excel in every respect. It is often more prestigious to be a foreigner than a native - that is especially the case if the native population is in a desperate state, whereas the foreigner comes from a more prosperous group.

I would regard British Asians as simultaneously British and foreign. "British" - albeit it has a superficial cultural dimension - is primarily a civic, legalistic, state identity like "American" or "Soviet". But one can be foreign for many reasons, primarily connected with ethnicity.

One can say that any ethnic groups that are not associated with the historical formation of the nation are foreign. Since this birth is vague and gradual, so is the definition of foreignness vague and gradual. People can be seen as foreign to a different degree, depending on the distance of their group (as in the Bogardus social distance scale, for instance). Some individual traits can influence this, of course. It is probably particularly pronounced if these traits make one especially unusual in one's native group. This individualises a foreigner and unexpectedly transfers him from one category familiar to the natives to another familiar, but unrelated category. For example, a Punjabi goth would probably be seen as less foreign than an ordinary Punjabi in the UK - but if there were many Punjabi goths, this effect would disappear.

Besides, it is a little naive to exclude strong physical dissimilarity from the equation or regard its influence as superficial. A person looks in the mirror and sees they are different in a manner that suggests belonging to a certain group different from the native ethnicities. They may very well dislike this group, but they can do little about the association. They understand that there are people out there whose native status is indisputable, and many of them don't think the person is native. Or these people may think the person is native, but in some special way that defies the whole concept ("everyone who loves England is a native Englishman"). This almost certainly will influence the person in many respects, especially in political matters.

P.S. Didn't vote on the poll because I'm not English, Welsh, or Scottish. Nor am I (yet) British, for that matter.

[Multitalented me]

Meh, they're fairly equal imo

[x.Hana.x]

(Original post by PinkyPurply)
Of course their equal.
Plus, Asian girls are HOOOOOT!

Took the words right out of my mouth ;-)

Course we are lool

[gagaslilmonsteruk]

The title of this thread is a bit offensive tbh. And as for saying 'WHITE'S ONLY', in my book, that is racist. Who are we to judge them as a result of their race? It doesn't matter if we're Asian, Australian, Mexican, Hungarian etc etc, we are all human beings and we are all equals.

[L_man]

Wow, this is a really messed up thread.

[x.Hana.x]

(Original post by G8D)
The majority of the asians I've been exposed to have acted like they were part of their own little community and not integrated at all. So those ones are not productively British in my opinion.

Cool so you just base your overall outlook on asians on the impreesions you got from the ones you have known or seen...forgetting thst there is, in actual fact, a bigger, mor openmindd world out there. Thats very..british of you..not. Most 'white' british, for want of a better word, that I know are far more openminded...and decent..and just...
And many I know are not , but I dont base the whole opinion of a race because of my experiences with them, do i?

So I can tell you as a british born Pakistani/Afghan/Irani, I consider myself british..i was born here, my father, a highly british educated, four degrees,PHD accomplished physicist who is currently carrying iut research on lasers for treatment of certain cancers, for the sufferers of the disease in britain and the wirld over, contributes a lot to this society and pays his tax, I love the english language and will be studying English Lit soon, applaud the british justice system and law of land and its ability to giving its people full human rights, and the right to any religion and free speech, and just because the colour of my skin is a few shades darker than other british people (an wierdly desired since many spend so much time flat under the sun damaging their skin or spraying on fake tan to get that olive tone, I never get why), and just because I am of a different religion that many peiople have misperceptions of and label wrongly as violent etc, does not, in any lawful or human way, make me any less british. So. Its disgusting and hurtful when many peoples hard work and good intentions are bluntly and narrow mindedly sumned up for the crimes of a few. As a citizen of the free thinking, democratic society you claim be from, you, and some others on this thread, should really know better. :-) x
Just to clarify.
This thread is quite something

[DorianGrayism]

(Original post by MrJim)
"Some eastern European people have attitudes to black people that date back to the Fifties," he told BBC television. "And that is not acceptable."

He doesn't need to have said exactly what I said, but I didn't accuse him of doing. I was simply explaining the mindset of people overly consumed by J. Schumpter's ideas on how to safeguard against fascism.

I don't really care what idea what you want to propagate.

As I said before, you wouldn't be able to quote it because Trevor Phillips, never said "there should be less E.Europeans coming to the UK because, basically they aren't politically correct enough" or anything close to it. So stop making things up.

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by noorkhanuk85)
If you're either english, scottish or welsh I would like to know whether you consider British born Pakistanis/Bangladeshis to be a true part of british society or do you still consider them as either 'inferior' or 'foreign.'

Dont 'asians' also refer to Sri-Lankans, Indians, Nepalese,Burmese etc?

or did you mean 'british muslims' ?

[Darth Stewie]

agree with Indo-Chinese food, the question isn't really clear to which group you are referring? Ethnicity isn't really a good method of judging someones cultural habits or ability to fit into a society.

If it is British Muslims the group is far to big to generalize. some communities tend to segregate themselves from society and as a result there have been cultural clashes but likewise some Muslim communities fully integrate with people of different cultures. It is impossible to generalize and you would have to break it down county by county, possibly even further than that to get an overall picture.

[Cyanohydrin]

Yeah no problem, don't know a huge number however.

Curry yum yum.

[takethyfacehence]

Haven't read the thread but OP is clearly massively ignorant and stupid and/or a troll.


I am part white and part Asian BY THE WAY ... also am British born and bred!!!

[pascal_evans]

I go to a school where a majority of borders are asian or black, not only are they all really nice they are really humerous and witty. There is always a certain amount of racism but its never malicious (we call it ethnical banter).
Overall I think asians are great

[G8D]

(Original post by x.Hana.x)
Cool so you just base your overall outlook on asians on the impreesions you got from the ones you have known or seen...forgetting thst there is, in actual fact, a bigger, mor openmindd world out there. Thats very..british of you..not. Most 'white' british, for want of a better word, that I know are far more openminded...and decent..and just...
And many I know are not , but I dont base the whole opinion of a race because of my experiences with them, do i?

So I can tell you as a british born Pakistani/Afghan/Irani, I consider myself british..i was born here, my father, a highly british educated, four degrees,PHD accomplished physicist who is currently carrying iut research on lasers for treatment of certain cancers, for the sufferers of the disease in britain and the wirld over, contributes a lot to this society and pays his tax, I love the english language and will be studying English Lit soon, applaud the british justice system and law of land and its ability to giving its people full human rights, and the right to any religion and free speech, and just because the colour of my skin is a few shades darker than other british people (an wierdly desired since many spend so much time flat under the sun damaging their skin or spraying on fake tan to get that olive tone, I never get why), and just because I am of a different religion that many peiople have misperceptions of and label wrongly as violent etc, does not, in any lawful or human way, make me any less british. So. Its disgusting and hurtful when many peoples hard work and good intentions are bluntly and narrow mindedly sumned up for the crimes of a few. As a citizen of the free thinking, democratic society you claim be from, you, and some others on this thread, should really know better. :-) x
Just to clarify.
This thread is quite something

So instead of basing my outlook on quite a number of Asians of which I've had direct exposure I should base it on your unverifiable account of your father? Is that what you're suggesting?

[x.Hana.x]

(Original post by G8D)
So instead of basing my outlook on quite a number of Asians of which I've had direct exposure I should base it on your unverifiable account of your father? Is that what you're suggesting?

Nope, you literally missed the WHOLE POINT of my rant...tht part was just an example...to show u tht since u think ALL asians are how u say, its not always like tht...but it dusnt mean all asians or most ar like me or my family etc either....asian as I am, hav had plenty negative expeeiences with pakistanis etc..but I dont judge the WHOLE OF THE RACE judged on tht...to put it in smaller words so you can undrstand, im saying open your eyes, its not good to stereotype, there are so many good, integrating, good natured asians out there....you just havnt met them yet...maybe because you dont really want to...and like I said before, your totally setting a bad example a bad example of british people since I know many wud be ashamed of your narrowminded, what-you-see-is-what-you-get kind of racist stance.

After tht advice, its just ur opinion....noone can change anothers mind without solid actions, and even then people who dont want to know close their eyes....just saying this kind of attitude is unhealthy, understandable because of actions of a few, yes I know, but not justified by a logical, unstinted mind. :-) but anyway, this is not to offend, as many in this thread are doing.
X

[G8D]

(Original post by x.Hana.x)
Nope, you literally missed the WHOLE POINT of my rant...tht part was just an example...to show u tht since u think ALL asians are how u say,

I didn't read after here.
If you re-read my first post you will notice that I directed my views of non-Britishness at the asians I made specific reference to, not the race as a whole