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What About The Hundreds Of Innocent People WE Are Killing With OUR Drone Strikes

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    , and it incredibly angers me that the person being interviewed initially said

    "A group that appears to be aligning itself with Al Qaeda's violent agenda, is increasingly looking to attack Western interests in Nigeria, in addition to Nigerian government targets. More broadly, Al Qaeda is killing of innocents, mostly Muslim men, women and children, has barely tarnished it's image and appeal in the eyes of Muslims around the world"

    See how he mentions Western interests. I suppose if Iranian interests were jeopardised, it wouldn't count as terrorism then?

    Then he implies that Muslims actually like Al Qaeda. For a counter terrorism policy maker, it's a very stupid comment to make. It only serves to alienate people more, as well as segregating many people. He helps the stereotype that "Muslims are all terrorists" even though the evidence points elsewhere

    After this, the lady speaks about the innocent people that have been killed by drone attacks from the United States. In my opinion, the people that are living in the mountains of Pakistan are being terrorised from three different sources; Al Qaeda, the Taliban and the US via drone attacks

    History would tell us that this would only serve to create more terrorism.



    The lady was initially told that there is a question and answer part towards the end. Fair enough, and she continued with her question but any where else she would have just been allowed to continue with her argument and sit down. It's not like she became abusive. Is this the freedom of speech we get for speaking out against atrocities?

    Saying that, I suppose, the gov't of Pakistan don't really care about drone attacks, as long as they get their wage check from their paymaster. This is why I agree with Imran Khan that Pakistan should reject aid - specifically US aid



    Any way, it was more my way of ranting about something which annoyed me so much, but if you want to discuss below, then feel to do so
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    She has such a monotonous voice tone when she first starts talking
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    (Original post by Kiss)
    She has such a monotonous voice tone when she first starts talking
    great input :borat:
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    Unmanned Aerial Systems are great tools if used properly.

    The US has yet to learn that second bit.
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    (Original post by swaggiee)
    great input :borat:
    justin bieber boyfriend video comes out today :cool:
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    It's got nothing to do with freedom of speech :lolwut: She is disrupting a press conference.

    Also, do we have any stats on the deaths caused by Drone strikes?
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    (Original post by Bellissima)
    justin bieber boyfriend video comes out today :cool:
    7.50pm EST time still got timee
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    You can get angry all you like but unfortunately this is the way international relations work, we might get along if we had some aliens to fight, but other than that it's not gonna happen
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    (Original post by Steevee)
    It's got nothing to do with freedom of speech :lolwut: She is disrupting a press conference.

    Also, do we have any stats on the deaths caused by Drone strikes?
    Noone has hard stats, there's no way of collecting them. As the CIA tends to lead/direct the lion's share of the operations they don't disclose what goes on, unlike if it had been the USAF, for example. So because of that noone knows how many missions are undertaken, how many weapons fired, what targets are hit, etc etc. Anecdotal evidence from the ground is always going to be biased, from either side.
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    (Original post by Arekkusu)
    You can get angry all you like but unfortunately this is the way international relations work, we might get along if we had some aliens to fight, but other than that it's not gonna happen
    The unfortunate truth. Any way, I feel slightly less angry now that I've vented all that out
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    Noone has hard stats, there's no way of collecting them. As the CIA tends to lead/direct the lion's share of the operations they don't disclose what goes on, unlike if it had been the USAF, for example. So because of that noone knows how many missions are undertaken, how many weapons fired, what targets are hit, etc etc. Anecdotal evidence from the ground is always going to be biased, from either side.
    This is my issue to be honest. I just can't trust stats from Pakistan ISS or the Pakistani Taliban, try as I might.

    It's like when we hear stories about 'US troops targetting civilians!' And it turns out to be a civilian killed in crossfire in a residential area where ISAF troops were ambushed or some such.
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    (Original post by de_monies)

    and it incredibly angers me that the person being interviewed initially said

    "A group that appears to be aligning itself with Al Qaeda's violent agenda, is increasingly looking to attack Western interests in Nigeria, in addition to Nigerian government targets. More broadly, Al Qaeda is killing of innocents, mostly Muslim men, women and children, has barely tarnished it's image and appeal in the eyes of Muslims around the world"

    See how he mentions Western interests. I suppose if Iranian interests were jeopardised, it wouldn't count as terrorism then?

    Then he implies that Muslims actually like Al Qaeda. For a counter terrorism policy maker, it's a very stupid comment to make. It only serves to alienate people more, as well as segregating many people. He helps the stereotype that "Muslims are all terrorists" even though the evidence points elsewhere
    Your first complaint is wholly nonsensical. He mentioned Western interests because they are targeting Western interests. They are not targeting Iranian interests. They are targeting Western interests. It is really not that complicated.

    Secondly, he says that al Qaeda's reputation has been badly tarnished by its killing of Muslims around the world, NOT barely tarnished. You simply misheard.
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    (Original post by AdvanceAndVanquish)
    Your first complaint is wholly nonsensical. He mentioned Western interests because they are targeting Western interests. They are not targeting Iranian interests. They are targeting Western interests. It is really not that complicated.
    I do realise that, but my point here is that I doubt it would be considered terrorism from the US if Iranian interests were at risk, but not US interests

    (Original post by AdvanceAndVanquish)
    Secondly, he says that al Qaeda's reputation has been badly tarnished by its killing of Muslims around the world, NOT barely tarnished. You simply misheard.
    Fair enough, but I stand by every thing else
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    excellent well done to her need more people like her.
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    (Original post by de_monies)
    I do realise that, but my point here is that I doubt it would be considered terrorism from the US if Iranian interests were at risk, but not US interests
    That is not true.The People's Mujahideen of Iran is a group that primarily targets Iran, and is designated as a terrorist organisation by the US and European countries.

    Edit: It was recently removed from the EU list of terrorist organisations, but that was based on its claim to have given up violence, rather than on who it targets. It remains designated as a terrorist group by the United States and Canada.

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