[Dmon1Unlimited]

(Original post by de_monies)
Well if you read the Huffingtonpost article, that's definitely what it seems like. See what people were tweeting at the time of the video

"b

ut to my dismay, their hate was mirrored by hundreds of conference attendees, some of whom shouted things like "go back to the middle east, you pedophiles,"

tweeting

"maybe the Muslim protesters [are] gay so [they] don't have wives? ... A lot are/were camel shaggers," and wearing shirts that said "Too stupid for science? Try religion." Watching the scene unfold, I was reminded of how much work there is to be done in combating prejudice between the religious and the nonreligious."

Like I said, both were bigoted and arrogant.

based on the video, i wouldnt have personally said they were generally arrogant like you said in your first post

but if the huffington article is true, then i would then
the article reconfirms that humanity is facepalm worthy no matter what a persons view is

[TurboCretin]

(Original post by de_monies)
Well if you read the Huffingtonpost article, that's definitely what it seems like. See what people were tweeting at the time of the video

"b

ut to my dismay, their hate was mirrored by hundreds of conference attendees, some of whom shouted things like "go back to the middle east, you pedophiles,"

tweeting

"maybe the Muslim protesters [are] gay so [they] don't have wives? ... A lot are/were camel shaggers," and wearing shirts that said "Too stupid for science? Try religion." Watching the scene unfold, I was reminded of how much work there is to be done in combating prejudice between the religious and the nonreligious."

Like I said, both were bigoted and arrogant.

The difference being that the hateful comments made by the Islamic contingent weren't made by isolated individuals, but chanted in unison. It was institutionalised hatred, not to mention unprovoked. The comments made by atheists were neither of these. All they did as a group was to take the piss.

[zxh800]

I recognise those guys, that's Anjem Chowhury's lot. I'm sure every one has heard of good old Anjem and how representative him and his group are of your average Muslim...

[de_monies]

(Original post by TurboCretin)
The difference being that the hateful comments made by the Islamic contingent weren't made by isolated individuals, but chanted in unison. It was institutionalised hatred, not to mention unprovoked. The comments made by atheists were neither of these. All they did as a group was to take the piss.

Well, if you go by the report then it's logical to conclude that the video has been edited heavily, so we don't truly know what they actually did as a group

[A Perfect Circle]

(Original post by de_monies)
Well, if you go by the report then it's logical to conclude that the video has been edited heavily, so we don't truly know what they actually did as a group

lol

Let's be serious here.

Allah himself could come down, take out an AK-47, start mowing down children and you'd still find a way to get him off the hook.

Islam can do no wrong in the eyes of Muslims.

[de_monies]

(Original post by A Perfect Circle)
lol

Let's be serious here.

Allah himself could come down, take out an AK-47, start mowing down children and you'd still find a way to get him off the hook.

Islam can do no wrong in the eyes of Muslims.

That's not what I'm saying. I said that they were both arrogant and bigoted ie: the Muslims too. What I'm saying is that the video seems to have been edited a lot to show a one sided view, if you read the huffingtonpost article

Just because I'm saying that I believe the video has been edited, it doesn't mean that I believe that these Muslims were right.

[A Perfect Circle]

(Original post by de_monies)
That's not what I'm saying. I said that they were both arrogant and bigoted ie: the Muslims too. What I'm saying is that the video seems to have been edited a lot to show a one sided view, if you read the huffingtonpost article

Just because I'm saying that I believe the video has been edited, it doesn't mean that I believe that these Muslims were right.

The fact of the matter is that is those Muslims had stayed at home or done something productive (in their eyes) like go to their local mosque, this whole situation would never have occurred.

For that reason, even if there was editing (which I doubt) and even if there were worse things said by the Atheists (which I really really doubt, there isn't much lower to sink after insulting the dead and wishing death upon others), the Muslims who gathered here are entirely at fault.

I think many Muslims here on TSR wouldn't have been sad enough to go and protest an Atheist convention and so it baffles me as to why it's so hard for them to condemn the actions of these idiotic Muslims.

[Perseveranze]

(Original post by justmyopinions)
For God sake (ahahahahaha) just admit that what's on the video is the reality. Yeah cause the video was "edited" to make Muslims seem bad. I doubt any insult should deserve the Burn in Hell comeback. Seriously

Well, the statement in itself is not exactly false from our point of view. However, there's methods of Dawah (preaching), and this is not one of them.

Call to the way of your Lord with wisdom and fair exhortation, and argue with them in the best way possible.28 Your Lord surely knows best who has gone astray from His way, and He knows best who are the rightly guided. [Q 16:125]

Generally Muslims should have a better standard than shout aggresively in response to other counterparts.

[Steevee]

(Original post by de_monies)
Not in that video no, but the Huffington Post has a different account of things

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-...b_1472360.html

(Thanks to Brutal Honesty), so it helps my point that they are both arrogant and bigoted. The last time someone wanted to profile a group of people was in WW2...

It could well be that the people were there for the reasons pointed out in the article, as well as their other stuff




Did you read the article?



In this video, yes but that's not what's happened before hand. The leader seriously wants profiling of Muslims, just because they are Muslim, and implies that a Muslim has to look a certain way


Sorry for trying to maintain a neutral position. I called them both arrogant. If you read the article, it proves my point


Not really. I was just trying to remain neutral. Ironically, it seems that you tried for a "populist praise-seeking comment" yourself by posting that comment, but it's backfired for you



Thanks



Both groups were bigoted. Just because that video didn't show any thing, it doesn't excuse the leader's behaviour prior to the video and the member's reactions whilst the video was filmed. If you read the article, you'll realise that it has been heavily edited

What article?

[Perseveranze]

(Original post by justmyopinions)
Am I the only one who sees the difference between those insults and the Burn in hell one? There's a big difference, with the Burning in Hell seeming to be more, erm, hateful. And the homosexual comments, many athiests don't like religion due to its intolerance to homosexuality, so you can see that as sort of a complament. And to be fair, they are in Australia, so a little less Burn in Hell and a little more BBQ.

How is "burn in hell" more hateful when Atheists don't even believe in hell? Surely such an "insult" is merely commical for Atheists? That's nothing compared to the insults Atheists were throwing at, quite glad Muslims didn't quite stoop as low as that.

[prog2djent]

Perseveraze is now going in my thesaurus as a synonym for "bury my head in the sand because I'm an apologist in denial ... ism"

[de_monies]

(Original post by A Perfect Circle)
The fact of the matter is that is those Muslims had stayed at home or done something productive (in their eyes) like go to their local mosque, this whole situation would never have occurred.

For that reason, even if there was editing (which I doubt) and even if there were worse things said by the Atheists (which I really really doubt, there isn't much lower to sink after insulting the dead and wishing death upon others), the Muslims who gathered here are entirely at fault.

Fair enough, but I don't think they're entirely at fault if you read the huffingtonpost article

(Original post by A Perfect Circle)
it baffles me as to why it's so hard for them to condemn the actions of these idiotic Muslims.

Seriously, I don't mean to sound offensive but are you seriously selectively reading? I've said that these Muslims were arrogant and bigots as well. I tried to take a neutral stance, though negged for it

[A Perfect Circle]

(Original post by de_monies)
Fair enough, but I don't think they're entirely at fault if you read the huffingtonpost article


Seriously, I don't mean to sound offensive but are you seriously selectively reading? I've said that these Muslims were arrogant and bigots as well. I tried to take a neutral stance, though negged for it

Why are you getting upset?

I said "many Muslims" not all. Look, if it bothers you that much then yes, I'd like to publicly thank you especially for speaking out against the actions of these idiots. There.

[de_monies]

(Original post by A Perfect Circle)
Why are you getting upset?

I said "many Muslims" not all. Look, if it bothers you that much then yes, I'd like to publicly thank you especially for speaking out against the actions of these idiots. There.

Well do you expect all of these "many Muslims" each to individually speak out against these people when they may not have even clicked this thread. How about I ask the "many Atheists" who haven't spoken out about the leader's stance on profiling

[Perseveranze]

(Original post by prog2djent)
Perseveraze is now going in my thesaurus as a synonym for "bury my head in the sand because I'm an apologist in denial ... ism"

Perseveranze*

And I'm not the one who posted an edited video with a dishonest interpretation of events.

edit; And the video editor says;

"Actually a couple people shouted out that Muhammad was a paedophile. Unfortunately, I didn't get it on video. "

"Unfortunatly"

[Bey Taco]

'I am in Australia, I am not in your country no no no no' , the guy at the end is so funny.

Yeah, bit odd for muslims wanting to get involved in a athiest convention, always knew they were secretly more athiest than us

[Hype en Ecosse]

(Original post by Perseveranze)
How is "burn in hell" more hateful when Atheists don't even believe in hell? Surely such an "insult" is merely commical for Atheists? That's nothing compared to the insults Atheists were throwing at, quite glad Muslims didn't quite stoop as low as that.

Yes, I wonder what could possibly be hurtful and offensive about a group of people wanting you to be tortured for all of eternity in a place said to be more terrible than the imagination can comprehend because you praise rationality.

(Original post by Perseveranze)
Perseveranze*

And I'm not the one who posted an edited video with a dishonest interpretation of events.

edit; And the video editor says;

"Actually a couple people shouted out that Muhammad was a paedophile. Unfortunately, I didn't get it on video. "

"Unfortunatly"

And if they did call him a paedophile, what's the problem? Sounds factual to me. He did marry and shag a young girl after all.

Edit: lmfao at your comments on the video!

[Retrodiction]

(Original post by de_monies)
Not really. I was just trying to remain neutral. Ironically, it seems that you tried for a "populist praise-seeking comment" yourself by posting that comment, but it's backfired for you

What's it like being wrong all the time?

[de_monies]

(Original post by Retrodiction)
What's it like being wrong all the time?

I dunno. Why don't you tell me? You obviously have experience

[Cyanohydrin]

It's obviously a few hot heads, I'm sure most Muslims are embarrassed by these dudes with beards and signs.