[Maxima]

Haha I seriously laugh how every thread which has the slightest mention of religion turns into some religious war between Muslims and the rest. The funny thing is, the it's same people EVERY time who argue the same points EVERY time. Do you guys not get bored?

(Original post by Cyanohydrin)
It's obviously a few hot heads, I'm sure most Muslims are embarrassed by these dudes with beards and signs.

So short, but I'm so glad someone around here has some sense.

[StUdEnTIGCSE]

In the eyes of real Muslims atheists (not exmuslims) are supposed to be better than Christians and Jews.

[SnoochToTheBooch]

this is funny, but kind of pointless really. neither side will have made the slightest impression on the other.

[E.Blackadder]

(Original post by TurboCretin)
What do people talk about at atheist conventions? I mean, I'm an atheist. I don't believe in the Loch Ness Monster either, but you don't see many conventions about it.



Seriously?

promotion and dissemination of ideas regarding secularization and solidarity, responses to religious claims about morality, science, political policy, philosophy, equality etc.

if you are an atheist, then i should be right in thinking that you don't want creationism taught in the science class room right? by joining together we can make our voice heard to stop this from happening. we can join other groups too, including moderate religious groups who are also opposed to such a thing. but we can't do that if we are just content to sit back and let the religious right pass us by.

even though atheists are free to believe whatever they want, my impression is we mostly all want similar things. some are more extreme some are less interested. but in general i don't think many atheists are opposed to building a truly secular society where religious becomes a private matter and the government sets policies through discourse.

[TurboCretin]

(Original post by E.Blackadder)
promotion and dissemination of ideas regarding secularization and solidarity, responses to religious claims about morality, science, political policy, philosophy, equality etc.

if you are an atheist, then i should be right in thinking that you don't want creationism taught in the science class room right? by joining together we can make our voice heard to stop this from happening. we can join other groups too, including moderate religious groups who are also opposed to such a thing. but we can't do that if we are just content to sit back and let the religious right pass us by.

even though atheists are free to believe whatever they want, my impression is we mostly all want similar things. some are more extreme some are less interested. but in general i don't think many atheists are opposed to building a truly secular society where religious becomes a private matter and the government sets policies through discourse.

I take the point, and I understand that this is the common sense view. However, the examples you give are not about the furtherance of the interests of atheists per se, but the progression of standards in education and politics respectively. Projects such as keeping Creationism out of science classes and the Church out of politics have nothing to do with atheism apart from the fact that they are opposing movements which have been espoused by religious groups. It's not obvious to me why we can't simply say "that is not in the best interests of the students/the people, so we are not going to have that".

The fact that atheists are united by what they're not, rather than what they are, means that the only causes they have to fight for are issues which have been snuck in via the back door, and belong in other domains. I think that this is undesirable in itself, but it is also provocative because it appears to favour the interests of atheists over those of religious people. Nobody objects to upholding standards in politics and education for their own sake. But bring atheism into the picture and religious people everywhere will feel marginalised, despite the fact that the substantive issue is identical. Not only is that unnecessary, but it potentially undermines the enterprise by giving religious groups ammunition with which to rail against perfectly legitimate causes.

Essentially, I don't think that atheist groups are a good vehicle for advancing secularist agendas. They provoke too much of an emotional response and they occlude the real issues.

[DeadGirlsDance]

(Original post by Eightyeight)
Why can't people just get along?

I wish we could all get along like we used to in middle school. I wish I could bake a cake filled with rainbows and smiles and everyone would eat and be happy.

[Royale]

I'm Muslim and I think those guys are idiots, why can't they just respect other people's beliefs and opinions? What is going to their event and shouting 'Burn in Hell!' going to do for you? Only make you look worse.

[Aoide]

I fail to understand how anyone can see this as anyone but the muslim's fault. Regardless of what happened later, this was a peaceful atheist covention which was protested by Muslims condeming them to eternal torture. The important fact being, the muslims shouldn't have been there in the first place.

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by de_monies)
In all fairness, both groups seemed about as arrogant as each other

EDIT: Don't know why I'm being negged, when the Huffingtonpost have a seperate set of accounts

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-...b_1472360.html

Video footage can be edited. I'm not excusing these Muslims. Like I said, both are arrogant and bigoted, but if you read the huffingtonpost article, it's obvious that both groups are at fault, and before someone says it's a select few people; the leader of the Atheist group wants profiling (something not done since WW2), and the Muslim leader is likely to be an Anjem Choudhry type

Though I suppose it's only Muslims that can be bigoted eh? Or at least that's what the negs seem to imply

I think the atheist ( or possibly not all atheisits, jsut people becomeing increasingly annoyed with islamists) came out on top in that humourous exchange, certainly made a mockery of the islamist protest. The islamists themsleves after startign loudly and brazenly became quieter and more shrivelled as a group when they were surrounded by everyone one else. Probably can take away from that, that shouting and chanting doesnt acheive anything, theres always someone else that can chant and shout louder.

[oms173]

I'm a Muslim but unfortunately I don't see what this Muslim crowd were aiming to do, that's not how you convince people. In fact it only reinforces the thought that they unfortunately probably have that Islam is about force. The Qur'an says "Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best..." (16:125). That is not the way to do it. To be honest tho, the other side also engaged in slurs and offensive, "Go back to the middle east, you pedophiles," tweeting "maybe the Muslim protesters [are] gay so [they] don't have wives? ... A lot are/were camel shaggers" etc., so its not like they were free from blame.

[Pinkhead]

(Original post by oms173)
I'm a Muslim but unfortunately I don't see what this Muslim crowd were aiming to do, that's not how you convince people. In fact it only reinforces the thought that they unfortunately probably have that Islam is about force. The Qur'an says "Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best..." (16:125). That is not the way to do it. To be honest tho, the other side also engaged in slurs and offensive, "Go back to the middle east, you pedophiles," tweeting "maybe the Muslim protesters [are] gay so [they] don't have wives? ... A lot are/were camel shaggers" etc., so its not like they were free from blame.

The atheists retaliated, as they should. They are not the ones who started it.
Would you be quiet while a group of people chant in unison about how you're going to burn and be tortured for eternity?
I don't think they deserve any blame, rather credit for telling the muslims to piss off from where they don't belong.

[prog2djent]

(Original post by oms173)
I'm a Muslim but unfortunately I don't see what this Muslim crowd were aiming to do, that's not how you convince people. In fact it only reinforces the thought that they unfortunately probably have that Islam is about force. The Qur'an says "Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best..." (16:125). That is not the way to do it. To be honest tho, the other side also engaged in slurs and offensive, "Go back to the middle east, you pedophiles," tweeting "maybe the Muslim protesters [are] gay so [they] don't have wives? ... A lot are/were camel shaggers" etc., so its not like they were free from blame.

This was revived out of the blue, did you specifically look for this or was it on a board reader?

I also think that "slur" suggesting that deeply conservative Muslims are closet homosexuals and partake in beasiality, is both hilarious and has some truth to it.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...e-closet/5774/ (a very, very good read)

http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_and_Bestiality (modern day)

[M'Ling]

How dare anybody else say a fellow human being is going to be subjected to eternal suffering?

It's possibly the most offensive thing you could say to a non-believer, so to receive, in response, the simple question "where are the women?" shows a somewhat higher intellect and higher tolerance on the part of the atheists.

I have no problem with believers, but craziness like this makes me pity the human race. Generations down the line, anthropologists will mock us for such behaviour, and for that I am ashamed.