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Original post by HarveyCanis
I think it's utterly disgusting. The Conservatives campaigned in the 2010 election on a liberal manifesto, proclaiming themselves as very different from the authoritarian social policies of Labour and then they come out with dickish stuff like this. The ironic thing is that they so often complain how the family is breaking down, yet in one of the areas parents should intervene more (the internet I mean) the Tories instead advocate for the state to be their nanny, whether they like it or not.

Internet freedom is one of the greatest things we have going for us at the moment. If this policy goes through it could easily lead to more authoritarian bans. Why should anyone have to "opt-in" to view porn? The government does not own the internet, the people do. This whole idea is outrageous and I hope the Lib Dems completely oppose it.


..When the bill was introduced by an independent peer, not the conservatives.

My view on that matter, it's a parental responsibility to ensure that children do not go on explicit material. This is not the job of the government to enforce, nor is it business of the state. There are measures and steps that can easily prevent children from accessing this material. The title of the thread is misleading anyway, the government won't ban porn, you just have to 'opt out' the automatic censorship of adult material.
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Original post by Scienceisgood
Hi guys;

Well, as you know, a growing number of parents are calling for an complete ban on internet porn because they say their children are viewing it and they can not stop them. So, the government have now stepped in and asked the said they are doing what they can at this stage to try and either;

A. Take all porn off the net
B. Limit the access required (i.e. proof of age)

Do you think this is going a bit far?

I mean, all people have to do in theory is put a computer in full view of them in the living room and they can monitor the amount of internet access they have and what they are accessing.
Also, there are several pieces of software which save your internet history which can be bought fairly cheaply so, even if the internet history is deleted, the history will be on the software and they won't even know.

Resources accounting for the "for" of this account;

How porn turned my son into a self hating shell.
How internet porn is "damaging health"
How it turns kids into sex predators

The Opt in system
And how many children watch porn online

A brief description of the bill

Do you agree with the ban and would you support it?

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Well, not exactly resources, but, all you can get is media when you google it. Besides, will edit when I come home. I have to go to school, 6 hours of maths revision (yay) and won't be in till about 2-3pm.


...but porn reduces rape.

All it needs is restrictions........but they already exist in the form of parental controls, however many parents are too stupid to realise this.
While I am personally against porn, the way that I show it is by simply not surfing for such websites. The Internet is a wonderful, valuable thing and the moment you start banning things, it's just going to open the floodgates for other things that the government doesn't want is to see. It'll end up with the freedom of the internet being chipped away, piece by piece, in the same way that that our real-world liberties are being right now.

And yes, I appreciate that it can occasionally be difficult for parents to moniter internet usage at home but, quite frankly, if you can't stop your own kids from searching for- and finding- the kind of filth that is online, then you're not trying hard enough. It's really not that difficult to set up parental controls.

With all that said, I don't think the bill has a hope in hell of getting through Parliament anyway. It was introduced independently, and so doesn't really have any party backing.
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tom177
Drugs.....now porn. What next? ban rock n roll? Leave the fun stuff alone will ya!
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the bear
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our local library computers have very heavy filtering... dodgy sites like flickr and TSR are banned !!

:bear:
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Jeester
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There will always be ways round. e.g. Tor Browser etc.
There's no point.
It will cost far too much money and the pornography industry provides a lot of money.
I can see where they're coming from, every day kids come across inappropriate stuff- even on ads when they're on normal sites.

Personally, I think parents should take more responsibilty for their children. What happened to parental control? If parents were seriously concerned, they'd take intiative, surely. But then again, I guess you get the parents who don't give a toss. Instead of banning porn for the sake of it, shouldn't the government be trying to spread awareness that this happens everyday, and that parents need to set up some sort of control system?
The same principle can be applied anywhere. You can ban the selling of unhealthy food to a person obese, but that isn't going to solve the problem. They'll simply go elsewhere for thier fix. Same works in this situation, I'm afraid. If some teenage boy couldn't access porn in his own home, surely there's a chance that he'll look elsehwere, i.e. at a friend's house that has opted out of the bill?
Government needs to wind their neck in on this one. ****ers.
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If anyone's stuck trying to get to Pirate Bay use a proxy server and go to google then go to Pirate Bay. Because my Virgin internet has blocked the site but a proxy seems to easily dodge it. EDIT: How ironic I posted in the porn thread about my Virgin internet. :rolleyes:
Original post by silverbolt

But anyway here's an idea - how about parents take responsibility for their children and keep an eye on what they are doing?


I echo this opinion. My kids will be in a dictatorship of sorts as I know how easily I was led astray as a youth, I will weigh up who they are hanging around with and almost everything my kids do will be under covert surveillance, until I believe I have taught them well young grasshopper.

Kids need guiding and nudging in the right direction and porn is definitely not good guidance or the right direction.

Anyway, I thought there were ways to stop people being able to view porn on a computer, and only the computer literate can get around these measures with a password or bypassing. Someone like Mad Vlad will know more on this.
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I presume the government will also be banning lads' mags, pornographic TV channels, sex chat lines etc. etc. ...

Also for a party that says the government should empower people to take individual decisions, this is incredible patronising and authoritarian.
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Empire08
Translation: I'm an irresponsible parent who doesn't monitor my child's internet usage. The government should order a top down ban of everything that might offend or disturb my child. That way, if my child looks at porn it will be the Governments fault not my own.

Edit: Also, why do people think porn is so bad? It's part of growing up, for lads at least. Hell I remember back when I was a teenager, people were trading porn on floppy disks! I'm sure before that magazines where used, etc, etc. Everyone has done it. So why are people so afraid of their kids doing it?
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Original post by Sadsnail
I think it needs restrictions because some of it is absolutely disgusting


If you don't like it, don't look at it.
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RyanT
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Why can't these parents create their own internet (ala AOL in the 90s) without porn?

Nothing stopping them. They have no right to dictate the terms of our network when they're perfectly able to go and develop their own network. There is no technical reason to have just "one" internet and this is the issue that lies at the heart of misunderstandings that are driving censorship.
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Original post by Empire08
Edit: Also, why do people think porn is so bad? It's part of growing up, for lads at least. Hell I remember back when I was a teenager, people were trading porn on floppy disks! I'm sure before that magazines where used, etc, etc. Everyone has done it. So why are people so afraid of their kids doing it?


Am not quite sure what the OP is getting at but porn isn't really what anyone under a certain mental age should be exposed to. Also porn has nothing to do with growing up. Shaolin monks would be an interesting example, did they view porn when they were young?

All I see porn as being good for is either a quick fix, and maybe stop rape sky rocketing (don't know if this is the case just a thought). But if I never had seen it I wouldn't have known it was there, make of that what you will.

So no point in banning something as where one market closes another opens, i.e porn dealers lol.

Only way to make it "hard" would be to eradicate the porn industry in its entirety.
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If parents actually took responsibility for their children, it wouldn't be a problem. Having the computer in the living room and supervising what they are doing is the obvious (and easy) solution. Not giving them their own laptop until they are old enough.
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While I DO agree with the idea of internet freedom, one must appreciate the fact that the ease at which internet porn is easily, quickly and FREELY available makes it a much more difficult issue than other forms of media.

With pretty much any form of media, one would have had to physically buy/pay for access, the PROCESS by which would make it much more difficult for children to access this stuff.

With internet porn, it is, unfortunately, accessible with literally a click of a button, within a second.

I think that while the knee jerk reaction is polarisation either way, for or against a porn ban/opt out system, one should consider that the internet is a VERY complicated beast
Man if this was the case I'd be in a lot of stress :s-smilie:
I find it ironic that your username is "Scienceisgood" and yet you are using sources that are the testimony of parents all from the same newspaper.

Anyway, they entire idea is moronic. It is so easy to get around it. A 12 year old could have got around these proposed filters using methods available 10 years ago.

I have no doubt that these measures will be used by the Government to please the Media companies and etc trying to enforce copyright laws.
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People should be allowed to do as they wish, providing no one is harmed

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