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    I just wondered if anyone knew enough about Edexcel Maths A level to say if it is possible or sensible to do the S2 stats module for A2, having taken the M1 (Mechanics) module for AS (raher than the S1)?

    This is about my daughter. For GCSE, she did well in sciences, Edexcel Maths and the separate Edexcel stats GCSE. She got the school prize for the stats result.

    She wasn't really sure what she wanted to do at Uni, but thought it may be Bio/Chem/Natural Sciences. So she is taking Biology, Chemistry, Maths, Geography and History for AS. Her plans have settled over the year, and she is now sure she wants to go on to Bio Nat Sci, so she plans to take the first 3 to A2.

    For AS, she chose the Mechanics module M1. Now she is more certain what she wants to go on to take at Uni, and having experienced M1 (she thinks it is Ok but not excited by it), she is planning to take module S1 in her A2 year.

    I haven't really studied the course content much yet, or compared it with the Edxcel Stats GCSE. However, I wondered if the S1 module was similar in content and difficulty to (or not too much more difficult than) the Stats GCSE?

    So I was wondering if it was possible or even sensible for her to ask about taking the S2 module instead? Whether that might help her more in her chosen area of Bio Nat Sci?

    Any comments or tales from your own experience gratefully received
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    (Original post by bb193)
    I just wondered if anyone knew enough about Edexcel Maths A level to say if it is possible or sensible to do the S2 stats module for A2, having taken the M1 (Mechanics) module for AS (raher than the S1)?

    This is about my daughter. For GCSE, she did well in sciences, Edexcel Maths and the separate Edexcel stats GCSE. She got the school prize for the stats result.

    She wasn't really sure what she wanted to do at Uni, but thought it may be Bio/Chem/Natural Sciences. So she is taking Biology, Chemistry, Maths, Geography and History for AS. Her plans have settled over the year, and she is now sure she wants to go on to Bio Nat Sci, so she plans to take the first 3 to A2.

    For AS, she chose the Mechanics module M1. Now she is more certain what she wants to go on to take at Uni, and having experienced M1 (she thinks it is Ok but not excited by it), she is planning to take module S1 in her A2 year.

    I haven't really studied the course content much yet, or compared it with the Edxcel Stats GCSE. However, I wondered if the S1 module was similar in content and difficulty to (or not too much more difficult than) the Stats GCSE?

    So I was wondering if it was possible or even sensible for her to ask about taking the S2 module instead? Whether that might help her more in her chosen area of Bio Nat Sci?

    Any comments or tales from your own experience gratefully received

    Like C2, C3, C4 etc are all extensions of C1, S2 will be an extension of S1.

    AS-level maths is a massive step up from GCSE, but the step up from AS to A2 isn't as large.
    I did really well in the core subjects but struggled with the applied (mechanics and stats)
    Where you said
    is possible or sensible to do the S2 stats module for A2, having taken the M1 (Mechanics) module for AS (raher than the S1)?
    the fact that she has taken M1 will not make a difference to her taking S1 as the material is completely different. I don't recall anything from S1 being in M1 or vice versa.

    Not having taken S2, i can't 100% say it, but i would still say that from the fact that S2 is an extension of S1, she should really take S1 first.
    At uni, the techniques she would need to use would be ran over again anyways so if she had missed some material from S2 needed at uni, she would be able to learn it there anyways

    I hope this all makes sense and i haven't just rambled...
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    No, that's great and thanks for the reply.

    I wasn't really saying that M1 might help with S2. I was just wondering if the fact that she did really well in the separate Edexcel stats GCSE (can't remember the UMS, but A*, top of the school, school prize) might mean that she had already covered quite a bit of the S1 course in that, so might be better off going to S2.

    It sounds like you think that AS is such a huge step from GCSE, that the answer to that is no?
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    I'm doing S2 now, after having done S1 last year. To be honest the best bet is for your daughter to do the S1 module, its quite a step up from Stats GCSE (I know because I did that too), and S2 is an extension of some of the stuff you learn in S1. There's a few chapters in S2 for which knowledge of S1 is essential, such as the normal distribution chapters, and so IMO the best option would be to do S1, rather than S2
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    (Original post by bb193)

    I don't think you should put weight on the fact that she has done GCSE Statistics, it is not in the same league as S1.


    S2 requires






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    http://www.edexcel.com/migrationdocu...e 2 180510.pdf
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    Ok - thanks to everyone for coming back so quickly. I'll file that idea in the bin, where it belongs!
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    (Original post by bb193)
    I just wondered if anyone knew enough about Edexcel Maths A level to say if it is possible or sensible to do the S2 stats module for A2, having taken the M1 (Mechanics) module for AS (raher than the S1)?

    This is about my daughter. For GCSE, she did well in sciences, Edexcel Maths and the separate Edexcel stats GCSE. She got the school prize for the stats result.

    She wasn't really sure what she wanted to do at Uni, but thought it may be Bio/Chem/Natural Sciences. So she is taking Biology, Chemistry, Maths, Geography and History for AS. Her plans have settled over the year, and she is now sure she wants to go on to Bio Nat Sci, so she plans to take the first 3 to A2.

    For AS, she chose the Mechanics module M1. Now she is more certain what she wants to go on to take at Uni, and having experienced M1 (she thinks it is Ok but not excited by it), she is planning to take module S1 in her A2 year.

    I haven't really studied the course content much yet, or compared it with the Edxcel Stats GCSE. However, I wondered if the S1 module was similar in content and difficulty to (or not too much more difficult than) the Stats GCSE?

    So I was wondering if it was possible or even sensible for her to ask about taking the S2 module instead? Whether that might help her more in her chosen area of Bio Nat Sci?

    Any comments or tales from your own experience gratefully received
    I haven't done edexcel GCSE but i don't think she will cope with S2 without S1. Most of the stuff in S2 can only be learnt if she knows S1, and the other thing is that even if she goes through the S1 stuff before doing S2, still she won't get the A-Level math qualification.

    C1-4, M1 and S2 don't make a qualification. The applied '2' module can only be taken in A-Level maths if she has done the '1' applied module in A-Level maths as well.

    If she is interested in stats then she could have done S1 and S2 rather than M1 and in my opinion mechanics is the most interesting maths.

    If she doesn't wants to opt out of M1, then these are the possible combinations that can be made:
    C1-4, M1, S1
    C1-4, M1, D1
    C1-4, M1, M2
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    (Original post by elldeegee)
    Like C2, C3, C4 etc are all extensions of C1, S2 will be an extension of S1.

    All of maths is a massive step up from GCSE to Maths.
    I did really well in the core subjects but struggled with the applied (mechanics and stats)
    Where you said the fact that she has taken M1 will not make a difference to her taking S1 as the material is completely different. I don't recall anything from S1 being in M1 or vice versa.

    Not having taken S2, i can't 100% say it, but i would still say that from the fact that S2 is an extension of S1, she should really take S1 first.
    At uni, the techniques she would need to use would be ran over again anyways so if she had missed some material from S2 needed at uni, she would be able to learn it there anyways

    I hope this all makes sense and i haven't just rambled...
    (Original post by Zubby77)
    I'm doing S2 now, after having done S1 last year. To be honest the best bet is for your daughter to do the S1 module, its quite a step up from Stats GCSE (I know because I did that too), and S2 is an extension of some of the stuff you learn in S1. There's a few chapters in S2 for which knowledge of S1 is essential, such as the normal distribution chapters, and so IMO the best option would be to do S1, rather than S2
    (Original post by steve2005)
    I don't think you should put weight on the fact that she has done GCSE Statistics, it is not in the same league as S1.


    S2 requires






    Link to Specifications

    http://www.edexcel.com/migrationdocu...e 2 180510.pdf
    I think you guys didn't notice that actually C1-4, M1 and S2 don't make the A-Level maths qualification.
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    (Original post by bb193)

    It sounds like you think that AS is such a huge step from GCSE, that the answer to that is no?
    Is this you sayiing that you don't think AS is a huge step from GCSE? aha, im confused.
    EDIT: I just realised that i had rushed too much in replying to your first answer, i will now go and edit it so it makes sense and repeats what i say below:
    But yes i found that the step up from GCSE to AS was huge.
    The step from AS to A2 as bad though
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    (Original post by raheem94)
    I think you guys didn't notice that actually C1-4, M1 and S2 don't make the A-Level maths qualification.
    what?!
    I don't quite see what you are on about?

    In order to get an A-Level in mathematics you have to do the core modules (c1, c2, c3 and c4) and then 2 applied modules (in my case it was M1 and S1)

    If you're saying that C1-C4, M1 and S2 aren't the ONLY things involved with A-level maths, then you are only part-correct.
    like i said, you need to do the core modules, but the applied modules come from either M1, M2, S1 or S2.

    (Bear in mine that this is what i was told when at school)
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    (Original post by elldeegee)
    what?!
    I don't quite see what you are on about?

    In order to get an A-Level in mathematics you have to do the core modules (c1, c2, c3 and c4) and then 2 applied modules (in my case it was M1 and S1)

    If you're saying that C1-C4, M1 and S2 aren't the ONLY things involved with A-level maths, then you are only part-correct.
    like i said, you need to do the core modules, but the applied modules come from either M1, M2, S1 or S2.

    (Bear in mine that this is what i was told when at school)
    In A-Level maths must be done.

    The 2 applied modules can't be any applied modules.
    If you take two '1' (i.e. the '1' is like S'1', M'1') modules, then the combination is okay. But if you take a '1' and '2' modules, then both of them must be from the same series, e.g. they can be M1 and M2, S1 and S2, D1 and D2. But they can't be from 2 different fields e.g. you can't take D1 and S2, M1 and D2, S1 and M2, etc

    So the combination being considered in the first post isn't correct.

    Do i make any sense?
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    (Original post by elldeegee)
    what?!
    I don't quite see what you are on about?

    In order to get an A-Level in mathematics you have to do the core modules (c1, c2, c3 and c4) and then 2 applied modules (in my case it was M1 and S1)

    If you're saying that C1-C4, M1 and S2 aren't the ONLY things involved with A-level maths, then you are only part-correct.
    like i said, you need to do the core modules, but the applied modules come from either M1, M2, S1 or S2.

    (Bear in mine that this is what i was told when at school)
    It looks as if raheem94 is correct




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    Yeah my school told me the same thing, you can't do M1 and S2
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    She is doing almost exactly the same as my daughter did!
    I would say she needs to do the S1 first judging by what my daughter has said. She did the whole of Maths A level in 1 year (M1, S1, C1,2,3 & 4) and is now doing Further Maths (M2, S2, D1, FP 1,2,3) and has done S2 this year.
    If she has already done M1 then she may as well do S1 as the A2 section in A level Maths is actually based on Core 3 and 4 and to get an A* in Maths she needs the grades in C3 and C4 (90% plus)
    The Stats will be useful for Biology so I would say do it though Biology stats appear to work slightly differently which caused some clashes and it is taught separately in Biology at her school. It comes up in the ISA part quite heavily.
    Many unis ask for Maths when applying for Biology.
    My daughter did/is doing Biology, Maths, Further Maths and Physics at A2 and took Chemistry to AS.
    She has a place at Oxford for Biology which specifically asked for Maths but she also had offers for 3 Natural Science courses and another Biology with these subjects.
    Hope she gets some clarification from school and find the right route forward for her
    My advice would also be to try and take the EPQ (extended project) on a Biology subject if she can as this really seemed to help my daughter's application for NatSci.
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    (Original post by Mulligan)
    She is doing almost exactly the same as my daughter did!
    I would say she needs to do the S1 first judging by what my daughter has said. She did the whole of Maths A level in 1 year (M1, S1, C1,2,3 & 4) and is now doing Further Maths (M2, S2, D1, FP 1,2,3) and has done S2 this year.
    If she has already done M1 then she may as well do S1 as the A2 section in A level Maths is actually based on Core 3 and 4 and to get an A* in Maths she needs the grades in C3 and C4 (90% plus)
    The Stats will be useful for Biology so I would say do it though Biology stats appear to work slightly differently which caused some clashes and it is taught separately in Biology at her school. It comes up in the ISA part quite heavily.
    Many unis ask for Maths when applying for Biology.
    My daughter did/is doing Biology, Maths, Further Maths and Physics at A2 and took Chemistry to AS.
    She has a place at Oxford for Biology which specifically asked for Maths but she also had offers for 3 Natural Science courses and another Biology with these subjects.
    Hope she gets some clarification from school and find the right route forward for her

    Her(OP's daughter) combination isn't possible, she isn't going to do further maths, she is only doing A-Level maths, and in A-Level maths she can't take M1 and S2 as applied modules.

    Your daughter is doing A-Level further maths, hence it is possible for her but not the OP's daughter.
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    (Original post by steve2005)
    It looks as if raheem94 is correct




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    Thanks for bringing up a proof.
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    (Original post by raheem94)
    Her(OP's daughter) combination isn't possible, she isn't going to do further maths, she is only doing A-Level maths, and in A-Level maths she can't take M1 and S2 as applied modules.

    Your daughter is doing A-Level further maths, hence it is possible for her but not the OP's daughter.
    I think it is because she said her daughter is planning to take S1 in the A2 year anyway but should she try and go straight to S2 instead and bypass S1 in case that would help her in her chosen university subject.
    That is what I read it to mean.
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    (Original post by Mulligan)
    I think it is because she said her daughter is planning to take S1 in the A2 year anyway but should she try and go straight to S2 instead and bypass S1 in case that would help her in her chosen university subject.
    That is what I read it to mean.
    Her daughter is thinking about taking S1 as the applied module for the A2 year, but the OP wants to know that can she instead take S2.

    She wants her daughter to have a combination of C1-4, M1 and S2, which isn't possible.
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    (Original post by raheem94)
    In A-Level maths must be done.

    The 2 applied modules can't be any applied modules.
    If you take two '1' (i.e. the '1' is like S'1', M'1') modules, then the combination is okay. But if you take a '1' and '2' modules, then both of them must be from the same series, e.g. they can be M1 and M2, S1 and S2, D1 and D2. But they can't be from 2 different fields e.g. you can't take D1 and S2, M1 and D2, S1 and M2, etc

    So the combination being considered in the first post isn't correct.

    Do i make any sense?
    Haha, i knew this
    I had basically said what you have said "You can't do the '2' part without first having done the '2' part "

    As i said in the original one of my posts "S2 will be an extension of S1"

    So I was in fact not wrong in any instance
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    (Original post by elldeegee)
    Haha, i knew this
    I had basically said what you have said "You can't do the '2' part without first having done the '2' part "

    As i said in the original one of my posts "S2 will be an extension of S1"

    So I was in fact not wrong in any instance
    Actually your post wasn't very clear, so i misunderstood it.

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