[Mrx123]

After watching the latest Argentine Advert on the News saying that the Falklands is Argentine Soil.....I wondered just what everyones view is on the Islands

British or Argentine...who has the right???

Thoughts

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My thoughts are that the Argies are at it again. Political trouble at home (just like in 82), so the way out is to try and unite the public by stirring it up over the Falklands.

Last time out, they invaded sovereign territory without provocation using military force.

Ok. Fair one. It happens.

But then, we had a war and they lost.

So now, they are coming back time and again, crying over it. If you invade someone and lose - there's no comebacks.

But instead, they're bitching over some hallucinatory successionary claim. When Britain claimed the Falklands, there was no such country as Argentina, but there was a whole bunch of really, really complicated independence treaties between Spain and the South American colonies.

They reckon that when they were born they "inherited" the Falklands from Spain.

It goes like this:

My grandad and your grandad argue over a watch that they found in the street near your grandad's house. My grandad picks it up and says it's his. Your grandad says it was outside his house, so it's his. Neither of them had any claim to it before they saw it on the floor.

Now today, you say "give me the watch back, my grandad left it to me in his will".

[Aj12]

Ours end of. They lost all chance of negotiating when we had to spill British blood to take back those Islands.

[jonathanrpham]

At the end of the day. If I had to look at this completely impartially - Argentina invaded The Falklands and therefore are already at fault. A British task force went it, as one would to protect any other British Overseas Territory and successfully ensured the freedom of the Island of which the British Armed Forces have a duty to protect.

So Argentina trying to spark up debate about the sovereignty of The Falkands, is to me incredibly sick. They want to enter talks with David Cameron? Erm, yes when you produce such insensitive material and still claim the Islands are yours? I don't think so.

This shouldn't be disputed anyhow, the Islanders are happy as they are and the International community recognises The Falklands as a British Overseas Territory.

[EssexDan86]

British without question.

The Argentine Olympic advert was in very poor taste, considering it shows their athlete doing step ups on a war memorial. They should be sanctioned by the International Olympic Committee for trying to bring politics into sport.

[Studentus-anonymous]

I am struggling to make the connection between an Argentinian athlete running about a British town, insulting a war memorial and kissing some sand, and a legitimate claim to the place.

That'd be like me filming myself doing the shuffle around Buenos Aires and licking some pavement and dry-humping a war memorial as claiming the place belongs to me.

Stupid.

[internet tough guy]

Those islands definitely belongs to us. Undefeated and undisputed back to back world war champions status on top of being winners of the Falklands exhibition '82, those Argies must be kidding themselves if they think they could even challenge us, they're the worse losers since Japan in their match against America.

[anarchism101]

Personally I don't care about the Falklands. Neither does the government, tbh. But business interests want the resources around it, and so the government forces the population at large to essentially subsidise the oil industry.

Apart from that, there's some interesting logic going on here from some people - i.e. that a democratically elected Argentinian government, or even the Argentinian people, are somehow totally responsible for the actions of a repressive military regime that ruled by terror, that was overthrown days after the Falklands War, and which was, and is, hated by the vast majority of Argentinians.

[Drewski]

(Original post by anarchism101)
Apart from that, there's some interesting logic going on here from some people - i.e. that a democratically elected Argentinian government, or even the Argentinian people, are somehow totally responsible for the actions of a repressive military regime that ruled by terror, that was overthrown days after the Falklands War, and which was, and is, hated by the vast majority of Argentinians.

When that self-same democratically elected Government is repeating almost exactly what the junta did, it's hard to suggest they are of a similar mindset.

[Cyanohydrin]

I am so bored about these islands, also it appears a lot of Argentines are overly patriotic ****ers.

Also "anarchism" the oil is a disappointment http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...-oil-falklands

[summer_blazed]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but besides geographic location, Argentina has no legitimate claim to the Falkland Islands. They were uninhabited when Europeans found them.

[Brandmon]

Neither.

The Falkland Islanders have ultimate sovereignty over their territory. They merely trust it to us to protect their sovereignty, ensure their self-rule and give them a voice in the international arena.

[Cyanohydrin]

the Falklands should declare independence, they have more right to an independent state than Argentina. If Argentina invade a sovereign state and annex it they will look like massive dicks to the rest of the world.

[cl_steele]

its our and has been for over a century, the argies saw what happened last time they tryed to take it back and now we are in a far stronger position than we were even back then and theyre broadly speaking the same ... i dare them to try take it back.

[Aj12]

(Original post by anarchism101)
Personally I don't care about the Falklands. Neither does the government, tbh. But business interests want the resources around it, and so the government forces the population at large to essentially subsidise the oil industry.

Apart from that, there's some interesting logic going on here from some people - i.e. that a democratically elected Argentinian government, or even the Argentinian people, are somehow totally responsible for the actions of a repressive military regime that ruled by terror, that was overthrown days after the Falklands War, and which was, and is, hated by the vast majority of Argentinians.

So how do you explain 82? Pretty sure the government did not know about oil in those waters back then.

[TheCaledonian]

(Original post by Studentus-anonymous)
I am struggling to make the connection between an Argentinian athlete running about a British town, insulting a war memorial and kissing some sand, and a legitimate claim to the place.

That'd be like me filming myself doing the shuffle around Buenos Aires and licking some pavement and dry-humping a war memorial as claiming the place belongs to me.

Stupid.

you should do that I think it'd be funny to see the Argentinian's reaction and to see how long it took for them to A. proclaim you King of Buenos Aires or B. arrest you

[Snagprophet]

(Original post by Mrx123)
British or Argentine...who has the right???

The people who live there, who are British, and have lived there for over 200 years and before them it had never been anything more than a military outpost.

Oil is irrelevant for the British argument. If anything, it's remotivated the Argies' complaints recently because they're just butthurt that they couldn't get the oil under their territory.

[butter_god]

(Original post by Cyanohydrin)
the Falklands should declare independence, they have more right to an independent state than Argentina. If Argentina invade a sovereign state and annex it they will look like massive dicks to the rest of the world.

The Falklands are dependant on the UK for its economy as mere farming will not do the trick. Hence, independence is out of the question unless they can become some self-sustaining.

[Snagprophet]

(Original post by butter_god)
The Falklands are dependant on the UK for its economy as mere farming will not do the trick. Hence, independence is out of the question unless they can become some self-sustaining.

Actually the only thing which they can't run independently is the military base there which protects their democracy and freedom.

[rural_boy]

It's up to the people who live there, and as they're British, they want to stay as a British territory.

Christ it's time to tell the Argies to bugger off...