Homophobic pastor in USA says: &quot;Beat up your kids if they look/act gay&quot;

This is based on observation. I am not any of the above, because I choose not to be.

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Original post by Transcendence

Lol you can change your mind about ANYTHING else, why should this be different?

Because you don't make your mind up to start with.

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Anna150

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Original post by Transcendence

In your opinion, it cannot be changed. You have no proof of this.. Evidence maybe, but everybody is slightly different, so that is not enough.

You need proof not evidence? What? How do you even manage to dress yourself in the morning? I think this is proof that we can't change who we are by willpower alone else you'd surely choose not to be so stupid.

Original post by RabbitCFH

Why do you even care what some pastor says?

Because his hatefilled speach will encourage parents to think they're doing the right thing by beating their children for showing 'gay tendencies'.

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lucaf

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Original post by Transcendence

In your opinion, it cannot be changed. You have no proof of this.. Evidence maybe, but everybody is slightly different, so that is not enough.

nothing has shown that it can be changed, so believing it is not a choice is the most logical thing to do

then again, you seem to think you can cure depression by simply choosing to have higher serotonin levels, so I guess you don't really care about what is logical

Reply 85

Of course they do. You can want to be a certain way.. But ultimately the decision is yours.

Reply 86

Original post by Transcendence

In your opinion, it cannot be changed. You have no proof of this.. Evidence maybe, but everybody is slightly different, so that is not enough.

So you need proof that it can't be changed, but are not willing to provide us with proof that it can? We have evidence, you have your own personal experience of being straight. And as you just said, you can have your own personal experience, so maybe you're just weird.
Any scientist can see the logical position to hold.

Reply 87

Original post by lucaf

nothing has shown that it can be changed, so believing it is not a choice is the most logical thing to do

then again, you seem to think you can cure depression by simply choosing to have higher serotonin levels, so I guess you don't really care about what is logical

A decision can be made no matter what the logical choice would be, likewise a decision can be made no matter how far toward the other choice you are, or how much you want the other choice..

Reply 88

The_Last_Melon

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Doing a real science.

Reply 89

Original post by The_Last_Melon

Doing a real science.

A science is anything that follows the scientific method.
Psychology follows the scientific method.
Therefore, psychology is a science.

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lucaf

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Original post by Transcendence

A decision can be made no matter what the logical choice would be, likewise a decision can be made no matter how far toward the other choice you are, or how much you want the other choice..

I didn't say the choice is logical. I said believing that you can change a state of mind is retarded. if you get hammered, you cannot suddenly choose to become instantly sober. homosexuality, depression and schizophrenia are no different

Reply 91

Original post by minimarshmallow

A science is anything that follows the scientific method.
Psychology follows the scientific method.
Therefore, psychology is a science.

The more you say it, the more true it becomes,

Reply 92

Original post by Transcendence

The more you say it, the more true it becomes,

That's a sound logical argument.
But if you want to argue with logic, that'll just cement your idiocy.

Reply 93

Original post by lucaf

I didn't say the choice is logical. I said believing that you can change a state of mind is retarded. if you get hammered, you cannot suddenly choose to become instantly sober. homosexuality, depression and schizophrenia are no different

I didn't say instantly. I just said you can choose..

Reply 94

You mean, you pay to get taught fancy words, while everybody else is doing something useful?

Why don't you believe in choice..? Are you saying we don't have choice..?

Reply 95

Original post by Transcendence

I didn't say instantly. I just said you can choose..

You can't choose to make yourself sober when you're drunk. You can choose to stop drinking and will sober up as the alcohol is processed by your body, but you can't think yourself sober in any length of time if your alcohol levels stay constant.

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Original post by Transcendence

You mean, you pay to get taught fancy words, while everybody else is doing something useful?

Why don't you believe in choice..? Are you saying we don't have choice..?

We have choices about certain things (what to eat for breakfast, what to wear), but not about others (sexual orientation, mental illness, physical illness).

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