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    (Original post by RK)
    Have you not hear the independent economists and experts, both national and international saying the Governments austerity measures have gone too far, too quickly, are based on ideological grounds at the expense of a real plan to grow the economy and are a direct cause of the faltering economy we presently see. It was starting to improve, but now it's heading down again.
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    Things were starting to improve because Gordon Brown was spending even more money than before, which we could ill-afford. The only reason Labour had ten years of unhindered growth was because of how much money they needlessly threw into the economy (after stealing from hard-working taxpayers).

    Even the word Labour makes me angry.
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    Things were starting to improve because Gordon Brown was spending even more money than before, which we could ill-afford. The only reason Labour had ten years of unhindered growth was because of how much money they needlessly threw into the economy (after stealing from hard-working taxpayers).

    Even the word Labour makes me angry.
    I think what really frustrates me with Labour is the fact that they failed to save money in the boom period.

    Brown even sold off our gold reserves at dirt cheap prices.

    EDIT: I'll point out, I don't think the Tories are much better at this period in time. They're trying to change too much too quickly.
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    (Original post by wibletg)
    I think what really frustrates me with Labour is the fact that they failed to save money in the boom period.

    Brown even sold off our gold reserves at dirt cheap prices.
    Exactly. The thought of another Labour government fills me with dread.
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    (Original post by ForKicks)
    Ideological reasons?! Have you seen the freaking world economy? It is not like we are revelling in prosperity and the Conservatives are making cuts for the fun of it. That's the problem, Labour voters think we are still prosperous and that the tories are just out to get them. They need to get a grip on reality.

    Oh yes, they all have their friends interests in mind :rolleyes: That is an insane suggestion.
    i noticed a tax rise for pensioners and a massiver tax cut for millionaires in the budget... ignoring that are we? as has been shown by the growth figures, cuts arent working and are slowing the economy down
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    Approval ratings for the coalition gov't have dropped hugely since the budget was announced, and this is a reflection of it, I feel.

    Let's me honest, Labour are hardly dynamic go-getters; Ed has very little personal charisma and and annoyingly nasally voice. There have been no prominent labour ideologues, no rebranding, no enthusiastic speeches, no credible attempt at the mayoral election (everyone knows Ken is a bit washed up), and no effort to make the use of the more enthused members of the shadow cabinet - Umunna, Byrne, Cooper - even Creasy.

    The coalition appears to be fracturing and Labour are just the credible alternative for the electorate. I say that as a reluctant Labour supporter.
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    (Original post by alex5455)
    i noticed a tax rise for pensioners and a massiver tax cut for millionaires in the budget... ignoring that are we? as has been shown by the growth figures, cuts arent working and are slowing the economy down
    It isn't short term growth we should be looking at. In this economy, we can't suddenly boom when everyone else is in recession, for no reason other than giving more money to pensioners. Besides, isn't the state pension going to be increased?
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    God help us all if Labour come into power again. Ever.
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    anything that stops the further taking and depriving of the needy is fine by me. A prospect that is becoming scarily closer what with the conservatives in power. First, HB is capped and single unemployed have to share with others and are forced to a £50pw rate to pay for housing, which can lead to hostility, violence and mental health problems. Families including disabled have to move miles away from their long time homes, adding to their mental anguish, thanks to the selfish Conservatives.

    Scams going down in local jobcentres with many cases of advisors writing wrong dates on appt cards so the claimant is sanctioned when they unknowingly fail to go to their work focused interview, keeping unnecessarily long queues so claimants are late to sign on thus get sanctioned, unqualified practitioners saying a mentally ill person can work as they can lift their arms, and allsorts of other sly measures so people lose their benefits (pm me if you doubt this, I have intelligence of these things happening at an astonishing rate that is highly suspicious)

    This government has lied and ruined things a lot in the short time they are in power, they bleat on about paying back debt yet highdyho they dont want rich people who are able to pay it they want poor people who work their backsides off all week only to get it taken off them to pay it. Not surprised Labour won so many seats, I'd rather have more immigration than all my money taken and being treated second class and seen second class for not earning loads.
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    (Original post by badcheesecrispy)
    I'd rather have more immigration than all my money taken and being treated second class and seen second class for not earning loads.
    State hand-outs are not YOUR MONEY. Is your tax rate going up?

    As for the being seen as second-class for not earning lots thing. Erm, that is society that makes those views, not the government.
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    (Original post by badcheesecrispy)
    anything that stops the further taking and depriving of the needy is fine by me. A prospect that is becoming scarily closer what with the conservatives in power. First, HB is capped and single unemployed have to share with others and are forced to a £50pw rate to pay for housing, which can lead to hostility, violence and mental health problems. Families including disabled have to move miles away from their long time homes, adding to their mental anguish, thanks to the selfish Conservatives.

    Scams going down in local jobcentres with many cases of advisors writing wrong dates on appt cards so the claimant is sanctioned when they unknowingly fail to go to their work focused interview, keeping unnecessarily long queues so claimants are late to sign on thus get sanctioned, unqualified practitioners saying a mentally ill person can work as they can lift their arms, and allsorts of other sly measures so people lose their benefits (pm me if you doubt this, I have intelligence of these things happening at an astonishing rate that is highly suspicious)

    This government has lied and ruined things a lot in the short time they are in power, they bleat on about paying back debt yet highdyho they dont want rich people who are able to pay it they want poor people who work their backsides off all week only to get it taken off them to pay it. Not surprised Labour won so many seats, I'd rather have more immigration than all my money taken and being treated second class and seen second class for not earning loads.
    Depriving of the needy. :rolleyes:

    More like stopping theft by the lazy. I support this Govt 100%.
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    You expect Socialism from the party who tried to amend the budget so that the 45% income tax band would be removed entirely??? Are you kidding me.
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    (Original post by RK)
    Have you not hear the independent economists and experts, both national and international saying the Governments austerity measures have gone too far, too quickly, are based on ideological grounds at the expense of a real plan to grow the economy and are a direct cause of the faltering economy we presently see. It was starting to improve, but now it's heading down again.
    Sources? There are just as many that say they're on the right track. See that my argument is as weak as yours without evidence...
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    I initially supported the Tories but cutting a regressing economy has little effect and leads into a negative cycle of lower revenue and decreased economic activity. For this reason austerity isn't working- see Spain. They are paying higher bond yields even after bringing in huge austerity measures. No matter what governments do the markets are exploiting the uncertainty.

    I don't necessarily want Labour to return but people need to realise Osborne and Cameron are wrong in their strategy. Growth has to be the priority!
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    A spectre returned?

    Nope. Labour spin says that they've "regained trust". All they've done is stay almost entirely silent while the Coalition has made themselves unpopular. People don't trust Labour any further than they could throw them - they just hate the Tories and the Lib Dems more, and they'll never vote for minority parties.
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    The Labour of today is not a ****ing socialist party. Right now, there is the right (Conservatives) and the...less right.
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    (Original post by Otkem)
    Depriving of the needy. :rolleyes:

    More like stopping theft by the lazy. I support this Govt 100%.
    I suppose you're one of those "trickle down" believers eh? :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Hobo389)
    Sources? There are just as many that say they're on the right track. See that my argument is as weak as yours without evidence...
    In my opinion, Labour are as far left as you can get, and the Conservatives are too left-leaning for my liking. 'Labour not socialist'. Are you having a laugh?
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    (Original post by Aramiss18)
    I initially supported the Tories but cutting a regressing economy has little effect and leads into a negative cycle of lower revenue and decreased economic activity. For this reason austerity isn't working- see Spain. They are paying higher bond yields even after bringing in huge austerity measures. No matter what governments do the markets are exploiting the uncertainty.

    I don't necessarily want Labour to return but people need to realise Osborne and Cameron are wrong in their strategy. Growth has to be the priority!
    At the moment, but we may just be manoeuvring into a position for long-term growth. Keeping our AAA is a good thing..
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    It astonishes me that the electorate are so fickle. Do they not remember how we got into this mess in the first place? :facepalm2:
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    (Original post by Aramiss18)
    I suppose you're one of those "trickle down" believers eh? :rolleyes:
    Who bloody cares?

    The creators of wealth deserve to keep it.

    Those who would drain it deserve nothing.

    We resent those slackers who take take take and contribute nothing.

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