[Darkphilosopher]

(Original post by Joinedup)
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(Original post by alex5455)
i noticed a tax rise for pensioners and a massiver tax cut for millionaires in the budget... ignoring that are we? as has been shown by the growth figures, cuts arent working and are slowing the economy down

Since when were all people earning over £150k per year millionaires?

Oh, and seeing as your so willing to inform us of our failing economy, please provide your alternative economy rescue plan?
And no, it can't follow the lines "We need to create more jobs... We need to put young people back into work!". I want a plan, not buzzwords.

[Hobo389]

(Original post by Otkem)
In my opinion, Labour are as far left as you can get, and the Conservatives are too left-leaning for my liking. 'Labour not socialist'. Are you having a laugh?

Sorry? I was talking about your so-called 'economists'.

[alex5455]

(Original post by ForKicks)
It isn't short term growth we should be looking at. In this economy, we can't suddenly boom when everyone else is in recession, for no reason other than giving more money to pensioners. Besides, isn't the state pension going to be increased?

in line with inflation then its being taxed more, so overall less, but i still fail to see why some of the most vulnerable in society are being taxed more than someone earning millions, oh wait its good old cammy looking after his millionaire mates

[Otkem]

(Original post by Aramiss18)
I suppose you're one of those "trickle down" believers eh?

Nothing makes me more proud of this country than the fact that it has allowed the top ten wealthiest people to become even wealthier this year. People who make wealth can keep wealth as far as I'm concerned. Labour can **** off with their awful socialist/thieving values.

[badcheesecrispy]

(Original post by ForKicks)
State hand-outs are not YOUR MONEY. Is your tax rate going up?

As for the being seen as second-class for not earning lots thing. Erm, that is society that makes those views, not the government.

I dont get state handouts I work lol. And you have to ask why conservatives lower tax rate for the rich, why would they do this when it could bring in so much?

[alex5455]

(Original post by Darkphilosopher)
Since when were all people earning over £150k per year millionaires?

since when was letting people on 150k a year off tax and replacing it by taxing pensioners, who are some of the most vulnerable people in our society fair or decent?

[Aramiss18]

(Original post by Aspiringlawstudent)
Who bloody cares?

The creators of wealth deserve to keep it.

Those who would drain it deserve nothing.

We resent those slackers who take take take and contribute nothing.

Even if they exploit people to make it?

Judging the poor by the lowest common denominator I see

[Aspiringlawstudent]

(Original post by Aramiss18)
Even if they exploit people to make it?

Judging the poor by the lowest common denominator I see

There is no exploitation where there is volunteering. If someone wishes to be employed, they must abide by the will of their employer and by that of the markets. If they do not, they can bloody well start their own business.

[badcheesecrispy]

(Original post by Otkem)
Depriving of the needy.

More like stopping theft by the lazy. I support this Govt 100%.

Ahhh..a person who has worked for 30 years and has contributed more than you have should be illicitly sanctioned and left with no money to feed themselves?

A young child with a disabled mum whos whole family and friends lives in a place has to move miles away from home where they will be vulnerable and lacking support are lazy?

Some people cannot work, others work hard all week and have to pay more tax than those earnings loads. How is that fair? Or more like you just think the rich should stay rich and the poor should stay poor and give most of what they have.

[Otkem]

(Original post by alex5455)
since when was letting people on 150k a year off tax and replacing it by taxing pensioners, who are some of the most vulnerable people in our society fair or decent?

Pensioners didn't pay enough tax, whereas the wealthiest paid too much. To correct that madness is both fair and decent.

[Aramiss18]

(Original post by ForKicks)
At the moment, but we may just be manoeuvring into a position for long-term growth. Keeping our AAA is a good thing..

What are these projections based on? Other than the olympic boost that is.

[ForKicks]

(Original post by badcheesecrispy)
I dont get state handouts I work lol. And you have to ask why conservatives lower tax rate for the rich, why would they do this when it could bring in so much?

Then you are hardly affected in what you earn Only if you worked for the public sector would you be hit by pay-freezes et al, but that is also going on in the private sector. Just because it is the public sector, doesn't mean it can't be run like a business.

Lower tax rates for the rich to incentivise the paying of tax and to attract the best once certain European countries go tits up.

[Aspiringlawstudent]

(Original post by alex5455)
since when was letting people on 150k a year off tax and replacing it by taxing pensioners, who are some of the most vulnerable people in our society fair or decent?

People earning £150,000 are paying too much tax. Income tax is a tax on aspiration and a penalty for success.

[Aspiringlawstudent]

(Original post by badcheesecrispy)
Ahhh..a person who has worked for 30 years and has contributed more than you have should be illicitly sanctioned and left with no money to feed themselves?

A young child with a disabled mum whos whole family and friends lives in a place has to move miles away from home where they will be vulnerable and lacking support are lazy?

Some people cannot work, others work hard all week and have to pay more tax than those earnings loads. How is that fair? Or more like you just think the rich should stay rich and the poor should stay poor and give most of what they have.

The poor are poor because they have no work ethic.

[Miracle Day]

Laybour slayed Plaid Cymru in our council elections. Conservatives didn't even get a Seat, I think

Ron Davies lost aswell giggles.

[Darkphilosopher]

(Original post by alex5455)
since when was letting people on 150k a year off tax and replacing it by taxing pensioners, who are some of the most vulnerable people in our society fair or decent?

You make it sound as if they're scrapping tax entirely for high earners... They still pay a **** ton more than pensioners (and don't forget, they too will be pensioners for a great deal of their life)

[badcheesecrispy]

all you tory supporters who attribute everyone who isnt gaining a lot of income as 'lazy' has this government come up with more jobs for the 'lazy bone idle' unemployed they hate so much? Have they hell infact, jobs are lessening as small businesses cannot afford to operate anymore, due to the torys tax and deprivation on the lower end of society.

so, until they bring about jobs for all these people they are subjugating, stop complaining. I feel lucky to have work and so do many others even if it isnt the highest paying job.

[Aramiss18]

(Original post by Aspiringlawstudent)
There is no exploitation where there is volunteering. If someone wishes to be employed, they must abide by the will of their employer and by that of the markets. If they do not, they can bloody well start their own business.

So jump to the tune of those fortunate to already have wealth, probably inherited, or try and set your own business up. Which is of course hard to do when you're poor and as such have nothing to borrow against. I suppose you think it people's "freedom" to choose to be employed when the alternative is to starve (since, of course, all land is owned so simply growing one's food is out of the question).

Young people like you amaze me. The wealthy are screwing your generation (well those of it not born into wealth) sideways and you're sycophantically defending them and their practises.

[badcheesecrispy]

(Original post by Aspiringlawstudent)
The poor are poor because they have no work ethic.

have you any idea the wide spectrum of people I am talking about? Your probably unaware a hell of a lot of people who appear to be wealthy and have a good job are actually in crippling debt and are really skint.

you need some life experiences, what do you work as may I ask?

[Aramiss18]

(Original post by Aspiringlawstudent)
The poor are poor because they have no work ethic.

Judging by the absolutely lowest denominator once again. Tell me- what if everyone worked hard? Would we all be millionaires?