[badcheesecrispy]

(Original post by ForKicks)
Then you are hardly affected in what you earn Only if you worked for the public sector would you be hit by pay-freezes et al, but that is also going on in the private sector. Just because it is the public sector, doesn't mean it can't be run like a business.

Lower tax rates for the rich to incentivise the paying of tax and to attract the best once certain European countries go tits up.

Attract the best? So you mean keep the countries poor residents on the breadline suffering and import more people? Get a grip for **** sake.

[That Bearded Man]

(Original post by ForKicks)
Then you are hardly affected in what you earn Only if you worked for the public sector would you be hit by pay-freezes et al, but that is also going on in the private sector. Just because it is the public sector, doesn't mean it can't be run like a business.

Lower tax rates for the rich to incentivise the paying of tax and to attract the best once certain European countries go tits up.

What's to stop that tax-break going towards a house in Spain, or Luxembourg? Thus contributing no further towards the UK economy?

[Otkem]

(Original post by That Bearded Man)
What's to stop that tax-break going towards a house in Spain, or Luxembourg? Thus contributing no further towards the UK economy?

What's to stop Labour voters spending their dole on a package holiday to Magaluf? Thus contributing no further towards the UK economy?

[callum9999]

(Original post by RK)
It's a good day to see the coalition parties punished by the electorate.

Firstly the Conservatives for having being totally incompetent in Government and having ideas that rip the heart out of the country, damaging the services, hurting the people, all for the gain of a few rich people.

Secondly for the Lib Dems who have allowed the Conservatives to act has they wanted and let things happen in Parliament that were the complete opposite of what they promised at the election.

So I welcome the Labour gains and hope it's a sign of a move to more social responsibility, putting people before profit and ensuring we have high quality public services run in the best interests of the public.

It's a long way to go, but hopefully a move in the right direction.

Hope Boris ends up mayor of London too...keeps him occupied until beyond the next general election and so means he has less chance of getting back in to Parliament and taking over the Conservatives. Would be a worrying day indeed if he were to become a party leader. He's a funny man, but even more dangerous than Cameron and Osbourne in his views....and has some level of competence unlike the other two.

I can never understand why people expect the MINORITY party to have significant influence over the MAJORITY party. Obviously the Lib Dems haven't done what they said they would in their manifesto, but then as they didn't win, they have no need to.

I always assumed Lib Dems would prefer some Lib Dem policies instead of none, but evidently I'm wrong, and they'd rather act like spoilt children unable to grasp the concept of sharing.

[badcheesecrispy]

(Original post by Otkem)
What's to stop Labour voters spending their dole on a package holiday to Magaluf? Thus contributing no further towards the UK economy?

dole would never buy anyone a holiday, stop being silly. Wouldnt even buy a day out in Blackpool unless you were really scavvin it.

[That Bearded Man]

(Original post by Otkem)
What's to stop Labour voters spending their dole on a package holiday to Magaluf? Thus contributing no further towards the UK economy?

Well, the fact that after said trip to Magaluf, they have no money left?

[Aspiringlawstudent]

(Original post by Aramiss18)
So jump to the tune of those fortunate to already have wealth, probably inherited, or try and set your own business up. Which is of course hard to do when you're poor and as such have nothing to borrow against. I suppose you think it people's "freedom" to choose to be employed when the alternative is to starve (since, of course, all land is owned so simply growing one's food is out of the question).

Young people like you amaze me. The wealthy are screwing your generation (well those of it not born into wealth) sideways and you're sycophantically defending them and their practises.

I value hard work. I value determination. I value ambition. That is why I value the wealthy.

You seem to think I exist in some sort of bubble - I wouldn't say so. I have a very average family - my father works in an electronics store and my mother as an administrative assistant - and I went to a very ordinary state comprehensive school. I was disgusted by the attitude of most of my contemporaries there - they had no interest in working, no desire to do anything other than work in either the most menial of capacities, and many did not even aspire to this.

I know first-hand how lazy they are. I've seen it. I rejected it. It is patently unfair to expect one person that wants to do well for themselves and their family to subsidise those that do not. I am without hesitation a promoter of those who want the best for themselves and are willing to go out and get it, rather than expect it to be handed to them.

[Aspiringlawstudent]

(Original post by That Bearded Man)
What's to stop that tax-break going towards a house in Spain, or Luxembourg? Thus contributing no further towards the UK economy?

You act as if that's a bad thing - it's their money. They've worked for it. They can spend it on whatever they want.

[callum9999]

(Original post by badcheesecrispy)
Attract the best? So you mean keep the countries poor residents on the breadline suffering and import more people? Get a grip for **** sake.

There is not a single person being kept on the breadline in this country (well, being kept down - there are plenty being kept up).

Where do you think the money for the enormous welfare state (one which I certainly don't oppose - and hold as the reason why I am able to do well today) comes from?

[Komakino]

I'd sooner take big government over this so called laissez-faire economics. This government, particularly the Tories, are embracing Social Darwinism. It's pure evil.
I'm not a Labourite but I would relish a return to leftism in the party.
As for bringing the country to it's knees with reckless spending, this government is managing that with reckless cuts. So the Tories can't really claim any moral superiority.

[badcheesecrispy]

(Original post by callum9999)
There is not a single person being kept on the breadline in this country (well, being kept down - there are plenty being kept up).

Where do you think the money for the enormous welfare state (one which I certainly don't oppose - and hold as the reason why I am able to do well today) comes from?

The fact that there arnt enough good jobs for many people including graduates as you should know. A lot of people arnt poor because they dont 'work hard' -(whats that, sitting at a desk reading?), are lazy or lack ambition.

I'm talking about the higher taxing of poorer and lower of the richer...why is this? It cant be to motivate people to 'work harder' as has been said, what if we all working 24 hrs a day, would we all be living like Wayne Rooney?

[badcheesecrispy]

(Original post by Aspiringlawstudent)
You act as if that's a bad thing - it's their money. They've worked for it. They can spend it on whatever they want.

What about a brainless laze or thug who hasnt worked a day in his life but has rich parents (Farrah Fawcetts son for example)- have they worked for it or have they just inherited from their lucky/hardworking/good saving/tight arse etc parents?

[Komakino]

(Original post by callum9999)
There is not a single person being kept on the breadline in this country (well, being kept down - there are plenty being kept up).

Where do you think the money for the enormous welfare state (one which I certainly don't oppose - and hold as the reason why I am able to do well today) comes from?

According to Barnardo's there are currently 3.9 million children living in poverty in this country. An astonishing figure for a developed and wealthy country.
Why isn't the government spending public money on bringing them out of poverty?
Surely this is a high priority?

[Aspiringlawstudent]

(Original post by badcheesecrispy)
What about a brainless laze or thug who hasnt worked a day in his life but has rich parents (Farrah Fawcetts son for example)- have they worked for it or have they just inherited from their lucky/hardworking/good saving/tight arse etc parents?

If someone works hard and gives money to their children when they die, that is their right.

People can do whatever they want to do with their money, it's their money and therefore their choice.

All money gained through inheritance is money that has been earned.

[callum9999]

(Original post by badcheesecrispy)
The fact that there arnt enough good jobs for many people including graduates as you should know. A lot of people arnt poor because they dont 'work hard' -(whats that, sitting at a desk reading?), are lazy or lack ambition.

I'm talking about the higher taxing of poorer and lower of the richer...why is this? It cant be to motivate people to 'work harder' as has been said, what if we all working 24 hrs a day, would we all be living like Wayne Rooney?

Typical argument there... There aren't enough good jobs and I demand that the rich make them. I'm poor so I'm exempt from having to do that kinda thing...

Well you're not exactly the shining example of the "informed poor" are you. Taxes were LOWERED for the poorest in the last budget - the fact that you are just perpetuating the myth that it wasn't shows your sheer ignorance on the topic. The rich pay far more taxes than the poor (the rich pay more than they get out whereas the poor get out more than they put in).

[Aspiringlawstudent]

(Original post by Komakino)
According to Barnardo's there are currently 3.9 million children living in poverty in this country. An astonishing figure for a developed and wealthy country.
Why isn't the government spending public money on bringing them out of poverty?
Surely this is a high priority?

Do you refer to relative poverty or absolute poverty?

[ForKicks]

(Original post by That Bearded Man)
What's to stop that tax-break going towards a house in Spain, or Luxembourg? Thus contributing no further towards the UK economy?

An incentive is an incentive. It doesn't matter where it goes?

[That Bearded Man]

(Original post by Aspiringlawstudent)
You act as if that's a bad thing - it's their money. They've worked for it. They can spend it on whatever they want.

What do you think of people like J.K Rowling then? Considering she lived on benefits? Is SHE a benefit scrounger?

[ForKicks]

(Original post by badcheesecrispy)
Attract the best? So you mean keep the countries poor residents on the breadline suffering and import more people? Get a grip for **** sake.

So you think we could take someone on the breadline and make them an international exec?

[badcheesecrispy]

(Original post by Aspiringlawstudent)
If someone works hard and gives money to their children when they die, that is their right.

People can do whatever they want to do with their money, it's their money and therefore their choice.

All money gained through inheritance is money that has been earned.

Never said that, you said it is earned which it isnt the person did sod all to earn it they gained it through the LUCK of being born to rich parents.