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What motivates people to vote Labour?

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    Stupidity, greed and a lack of anything else to do is my guess.
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    (Original post by pellejema)
    This thread is so so so so so so so so annoying.

    So many people are showing breathtaking ignorance. As well as hatred for those less fortunate than you (might I remind you that it is not down to your hard work and virtue if you were born into a more well off family), you are making disgusting generalisations which frankly I think is really below members of a website called 'THE STUDENT ROOM'.

    Labour aren't perfect. Which political party is? But the great thing about democracy is that it in theory represents the interests of the population. So stop making boring pseudo-factual statements about Labour and realise that Tory isn't exactly a great alternative. It's still seen as a party that represents the rich by a lot of people; why would you vote Conservative if it didn't represent your interests or your ideology?

    In short, 'what motivates people to vote Labour' is exactly the same driving forces that motivates people to vote any political party.
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    Finally a good answer!
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    So are you assuming every cleaner didn't work at school? Well maybe,
    So I was correct.....

    (Original post by Bornblue)
    just maybe some of these people in lesser jobs weren't granted the same opportunity as you. Maybe some of them weren't born into rich families, lived in a council house and were forced to go to a cr*p school.
    1) You dont need a good school to get average GCSEs.
    2) I wasnt born into a rich family- the opposite.

    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Not everyone can be gifted academically, If bin men went on strike for a month we'd miss them a heck of a lot more than we would lawyers, or accountants.
    Would we? I am fairly confident if we had access to the lorries we could find replacements very quickly (even the army could do that job if it came to it). This is why they are not paid a high wage- they are replaceable.

    (Original post by Bornblue)
    So stop being a prejudicial, arragont idiot and realize some people need a bit of extra help.
    Im not saying they don't need help- I'm saying we shouldn't give them it. Life is about survival and to do that you have to help yourself first!

    If you guys want to help them, then reduce my tax and you can contribute more. How about that?
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    (Original post by Joe909)
    In Africa not every single person gets free education, are spoon fed the qualifications they need to progress to earn a lot of money. Here, anyone can put the work in and get at least A levels free and anyone who doesn't doesn't deserve more than 2 pounds an hour.
    Environment is very important thing. Where's your incentive to work when there are no role models where you live? Why do people join gangs? because in the ares where they operate they are the only people who have money. In the same way if you've never seen anyone succeed from where you leave and all your peers aren't trying/didn't try from a young age you are unlikely to try at school, it WILL seem pointless for you. Unless you HAVE lived in such an area the idea that you can accurately comment on such situations is ludicrous just i can't comment on the exact condition of a child born in an area where every household has at least one degree holder and an average income of over £75,000.
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    (Original post by billydisco)
    Because if they don't contribute, they don't get a say!

    Stakeholders of a company are affected by a company's actions, but only the shareholders get to vote at the AGM....
    And you judge being on benefits for a year as not contributing?

    Right, imagine a man, he left school at age 16 and went pretty much straight into work, working near constantly for 26 years (about 6 months unemployment in that time) - the company he works for is hit by the recession and as a result he is made redundant. Having left school at 16 he has very few qualifications and so finds it hard to get a job, spending nearly 2 years out of work despite applying for pretty much everything going - under your idea, he shouldn't be allowed a say in how his country is run, but he's contributed far more during his employment than he received during that period of unemployment. Now how is that fair? That a persons history should be completely ignored in favour of one year when they were seriously down on their luck.


    (Original post by billydisco)
    Can you please elaborate on equality? How the hell can you make humans equal when they're clearly not naturally?
    Well they are, everyone is the same, of the same worth. Strip away the tinsel and the trappings of western society and what separates you from some poverty stricken person in Central Africa?
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    (Original post by billydisco)
    In the UK hard work = rewarded (well, before Labour taxed the crap out of everyone).
    In the UK rich family = rewarded... And the conservatives love that!
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    (Original post by Otkem)
    Nationalisation is a failed experiment. Privatisation saves both lives and money.
    Nationalisation is not a failed experiment. You are ill so you go to see a doctor without worrying. If you privatise that ability goes away. Under privatisation it would cost us ALL more money while fewer of us would get the level of care we currently do. The highest ranked health care systems in the world are ALL nationalised universal healthcare systems . The most famous private healthcare system that people claim to be a success is the USA. In reality it is a complete failure. It costs their government almost as much per capita as ours and that's only half the cost. All the important statistical measures are worse off than ours with the exception of cancer survival rates. Why are they lower? because most people who die can't afford to get tested to find out they had cancer, hence they aren't included in the survival statistics.
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    (Original post by J_89)
    Wow, what a brainwashed puppet you are. Mind you, I don't blame you (no wait I do - get a brain!), it's endemic in our society.

    People vote Labour because they serve their own economic interests. No, not to scrounge (like your Tory puppet-masters told you), but to ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO GET A JOB.

    Conservative policies do not "create jobs" - again bs from the masters - they transfer all the wealth to the aristocracy (I believe today they are known as the major corporations).

    And then they brainwash the public with insufferable rhetoric:

    - Good is bad
    - Sponging off the people is noble
    - The people sponging off you back is bad
    - They create jobs

    The banking and finance industries are controlled by a small amount of people.

    In truth, conservativism and capitalism are incompattible. Conservatism doesn't want free-markets - it wants the elite/aristocracy/corporations (whatever you want to call them) to have a MONOPOLY OVER ALL OF US. INCLUDING small businesses. Tories don't champion small business! They champion their rich pals and anyone who is not in that bracket and votes for them are absolute morons. Liberalism and capitalism are compattible, as liberals believe in merit as the way to achieve financial gain.

    It is only communists who believe in equality of results, and when you look at the regimes that actually practice communism, they are RIGHT-WING, let me repeat that: RIGHT-WING as hell.

    So calling all liberals communists DOESNT WASH anymore.

    Intellectuals are tired of the rhetoric and brainless sheep like you. I don't care what you think "Gordon Brown did to your family." GROW A BRAIN.
    You talk about him being brainwashed, then go on to say the Tories are transferring all the wealth to the aristocracy. Please be quiet.

    Also, what intellectuals are you talking about?
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    (Original post by billydisco)
    But most tory supporters weren't born into well-off families.... ?? Do you seriously think there are 9 million posh people in the UK????

    Once again, I need to remind a Labour supporter somebody earning £21k isn't "rich"



    Can you please tell me why it's ok Labour are a party for the poor, but Tories being a party for the "rich" is bad? Why should "rich" people be represented less than poor people?

    The other thing I REALLY hate about left wingists is that poor = innocent. Absolute crap! You tell me why some idiot messing about at school, has kids at 18 and then needs to live on benefits is innocent?

    It's people like you who have ruined (Once great) Britain. In the 18th century we kept you out of politics and that's probably why we had the empire!



    Yes but tory voters don't push for this concept of "society" so that "society" can pay their council tax bill, pay for their kids, pay for their EMA, pay for their house rent etc....

    Pretty good thing this "society" isn't it??
    Back in the 18th century under your GREAT empire (i'm Indian it wasn't ours) the vast majority of people were in or close to absolute poverty, the empire did nothing for most people just the rich.
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    You do realise the deficit that George Osborne is actually increasing with his policies is a lie?

    George Osborne is a multimillionaire who claims benefits.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p5oKK5uVtk

    Watch this video and you will then see that the whole deficit and debt problem that they say Labour created is a lie. They are doing it to destablise the country while they privatise what is left of the countries assets at massive profit to them and their mates.

    So as you are now paying tution fees this is not because the country cant afford to send you to higher education free it is so they can make money from you.

    Want to see how the Conservatives work?

    Read this

    http://jobs.classquick.com/blog/?p=56
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    (Original post by Alofleicester)
    And you judge being on benefits for a year as not contributing?

    Right, imagine a man, he left school at age 16 and went pretty much straight into work, working near constantly for 26 years (about 6 months unemployment in that time) - the company he works for is hit by the recession and as a result he is made redundant. Having left school at 16 he has very few qualifications and so finds it hard to get a job, spending nearly 2 years out of work despite applying for pretty much everything going - under your idea, he shouldn't be allowed a say in how his country is run, but he's contributed far more during his employment than he received during that period of unemployment. Now how is that fair? That a persons history should be completely ignored in favour of one year when they were seriously down on their luck.



    Well they are, everyone is the same, of the same worth. Strip away the tinsel and the trappings of western society and what separates you from some poverty stricken person in Central Africa?
    That's my problem because? The fact that he has no qualifications is his own silly fault that he didn't look to his long-term future.
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    (Original post by Otkem)
    That's my problem because? The fact that he has no qualifications is his own silly fault that he didn't look to his long-term future.
    So we ignore that he was an active contributor to society for over a quarter of a life span (or if you take earliest possible age to work through to retirement age - over a third of a working life span) and focus on that he doesn't have that many qualifications and so when companies aren't prepared to take a chance on someone unless they have good qualifications, even if they've as much experience as that man has, and so can't find a job that easily?
    Surely that they contributed for so long to the economy should deserve them a few rights even during their period of unemployment in your, frankly horrific, ideal of a society?
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    I love it how some morons in this post seem to think that people want to sit on their arses all day.

    Years ago unemployment as below 1.4m constantly, usually below 1m. We had a socialist set up in the country. Margaret Thatcher got in power and turned the country from socialist to free market capitalism. With Socialism we had a trade and budget surplus. After Thatcher had finished she had put an extra 2 million permanently on the unemployment line and we had a trade and budget deficit.

    The country now can barely afford anything as free market capitalism combined with the fractional reserve banking system sends all the money to the top of society while creating mass poverty at the bottom.

    So keep on hating the unemployed at the bottom while worshiping the tax dodging billionaires most of which are responsible for their unemployment at the top.

    Also remember Labour aren't socialist anymore they are a bunch of Thatherite scum bags.
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    (Original post by ClassQuick)
    I love it how some morons in this post seem to think that people want to sit on their arses all day.

    Years ago unemployment as below 1.4m constantly, usually below 1m. We had a socialist set up in the country. Margaret Thatcher got in power and turned the country from socialist to free market capitalism. With Socialism we had a trade and budget surplus. After Thatcher had finished she had put an extra 2 million permanently on the unemployment line and we had a trade and budget deficit.

    The country now can barely afford anything as free market capitalism combined with the fractional reserve banking system sends all the money to the top of society while creating mass poverty at the bottom.

    So keep on hating the unemployed at the bottom while worshiping the tax dodging billionaires most of which are responsible for their unemployment at the top.

    Also remember Labour aren't socialist anymore they are a bunch of Thatherite scum bags.
    We had so many jobs in this country because the public sector was bloated to an unsustainable level that we could ill-afford. I am glad that the Tories pulled away the funding.
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    (Original post by Otkem)
    We had so many jobs in this country because the public sector was bloated to an unsustainable level that we could ill-afford. I am glad that the Tories pulled away the funding.
    You didnt actually read what I said did you?

    We used to be able to afford lots of things due to having a socialist set up.

    With free market capitalism the country runs at a loss so slowly everything you have ends up being taken away from you as you slip further and further into debt.
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    (Original post by ClassQuick)
    I love it how some morons in this post seem to think that people want to sit on their arses all day.

    Years ago unemployment as below 1.4m constantly, usually below 1m. We had a socialist set up in the country. Margaret Thatcher got in power and turned the country from socialist to free market capitalism. With Socialism we had a trade and budget surplus. After Thatcher had finished she had put an extra 2 million permanently on the unemployment line and we had a trade and budget deficit.

    The country now can barely afford anything as free market capitalism combined with the fractional reserve banking system sends all the money to the top of society while creating mass poverty at the bottom.

    So keep on hating the unemployed at the bottom while worshipping the tax dodging billionaires most of which are responsible for their unemployment at the top.

    Also remember Labour aren't socialist anymore they are a bunch of Thatherite scum bags.
    Very well said sir.
    I find it odd that so many bleat about benefit scroungers taking money away from the country but appear to turn a blind eye to the likes of Vodafone leaving a fairly sizeable tax bill unpaid, despite that the big companies dodging tax almost certainly "takes" more money from the government than benefits do.
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    (Original post by Otkem)
    I shall never forgive the Labour party for what they put my family through during 2009-10. I am interested though in seeing what motivates people to vote for such a damaging party. They damaged the economy, they damaged family values, they damaged people's trust in their government. They damaged everything you can imagine basically. What motivates you to want another Labour Govt? My opinion of Labour voters is that they are extremely selfish and do not care about the good of the long-term economy, as long as they get their handouts courtesy of the taxpayer. Now of course this isn't representative of all Labour voters, but I am at a loss as to explain why they won so many local council seats, and am quite frankly damn worried.
    Are you a spawn of the Daily Mail?

    Honestly, I can't express my full feeling of anger when people like you slander the government as if the financial crisis was part of an incompetent labour government. Surely you've seen whats happening around the world, in Greece, Spain, Italy?

    Labour saved our economy from contracting around 30% and it would of been much more worse if we hadn't of spent our way out of it.

    And if you think that labour is not a long term government, then I tell you, look at what Tony Blair did over his time.

    I don't get how people like you can actually exist.
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    (Original post by ClassQuick)
    I love it how some morons in this post seem to think that people want to sit on their arses all day.

    Years ago unemployment as below 1.4m constantly, usually below 1m. We had a socialist set up in the country. Margaret Thatcher got in power and turned the country from socialist to free market capitalism. With Socialism we had a trade and budget surplus. After Thatcher had finished she had put an extra 2 million permanently on the unemployment line and we had a trade and budget deficit.

    The country now can barely afford anything as free market capitalism combined with the fractional reserve banking system sends all the money to the top of society while creating mass poverty at the bottom.

    So keep on hating the unemployed at the bottom while worshiping the tax dodging billionaires most of which are responsible for their unemployment at the top.

    Also remember Labour aren't socialist anymore they are a bunch of Thatherite scum bags.
    Yeah, the UK was great back then, except for the fact that we needed to be bailed out by the IMF, had stupid high taxes, were dominated by unions, some of our largest industries were unprofitable and had to be subsidised, low wages, culture of underachievement, winters of discontent...
    But yeah, Old Labour was totally great
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    (Original post by Rainingshame)
    Back in the 18th century under your GREAT empire (i'm Indian it wasn't ours) the vast majority of people were in or close to absolute poverty, the empire did nothing for most people just the rich.
    (Have a think first before you reply to this......)

    Why do you think Britain's average salary today is £25k and not £5k

    (I'll give you a clue, it has something to do with the empire )
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    (Original post by TheRustaman)
    In the UK rich family = rewarded... And the conservatives love that!
    Can you please show me how a rich family is rewarded?

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