[SaintSoldier]

[Brutal Honesty]

(Original post by Tahooper)
That seems odd, why would the army ban the BNP? That's where most of their supporters come from...

Anyway, the only thing UKIP and BNP agree on is immigration (sort of, UKIP want tens of thousands of immigrants, not the hundreds of thousands we currently have, and the BNP want absolutely no immigration whatsoever).

I've seen military parades and there's always BNP flags being waved there. Most people who join the army join young, when they're 18 and that's usually before they've managed to sign up to the BNP. After they leave they might join though, you often see the BNP campaigning with a guy wearing an army uniform. I suppose sending a racist into a country full of brown people armed with machine guns, grenades, RPGs, tanks etc. is a tad irresponsible.

UKIP always bang on about immigration which is what racists are most concerned with because all of the non-British/non-white people in this country are of course, immigrants or descendents of them. Being overtly racist is somewhat unpopular now so UKIP provides a nice alternative to BNP voters who don't want to appear racist.

[ConnorB]

Problem I have with the BNP is never mind the racial undertones that drive the party, is the fact that they are all utterly clueless! The country would stop ticking with them in charge!

[ChampEon]

(Original post by ConnorB)
Problem I have with the BNP is never mind the racial undertones that drive the party, is the fact that they are all utterly clueless! The country would stop ticking with them in charge!

Damn right! They don't seem to have any economic/monetary/fiscal policies whatsoever and only ever have skin colour in mind. Britain would most likely go back to the stone age with them in charge lol

[beanstalkgirl_24]

The best news I've heard all day. Nick Griffin is a racist idiot.

[prog2djent]

(Original post by Brutal Honesty)
Politically UKIP are the closest to BNP. Their membership rules are irrelevant here as pretty much all employers including the army ban people who are members of the BNP.

The British freedom party
The English freedom party
The British first party
The English first Party
National Front

Are where the BNP votes have gone, the surge in UKIP is from disillusioned tories who don't like the tories shift to towards the left with its economics, and its social authoritarianism and movement towards a nanny state, the contradictions emerges (as with a lot of conservatives) in that they like social authoritarianism with regards to gay marriage and immigration, and national defense, a lot of Lib dems have gone to UKIP, as the Lib dems have shifted to the left economically, instead of sticking to the "orange book" classical liberalism (free market) days, and on certain issues, they are socially liberal like the Lib dems (UKIP are), with regards to drugs, free speech, and foreign policy.

[prog2djent]

(Original post by JimmiesArentRustle)
Its a pity, someone needs to combat all these foreigners coming to our shores and ruining the country.

What about the natives who are ruining the country?

[Brutal Honesty]

(Original post by prog2djent)
The British freedom party
The English freedom party
The British first party
The English first Party
National Front

Are where the BNP votes have gone, the surge in UKIP is from disillusioned tories who don't like the tories shift to towards the left with its economics, and its social authoritarianism and movement towards a nanny state, the contradictions emerges (as with a lot of conservatives) in that they like social authoritarianism with regards to gay marriage and immigration, and national defense, a lot of Lib dems have gone to UKIP, as the Lib dems have shifted to the left economically, instead of sticking to the "orange book" classical liberalism (free market) days, and on certain issues, they are socially liberal like the Lib dems (UKIP are), with regards to drugs, free speech, and foreign policy.

UKIP have traditionally got the vote of defecting Conservatives but it's clear that they also get BNP defectors as well. As Baroness Warsi stated, there was a proportionate UKIP gain/BNP loss. The parties you've mentioned are nowhere near big enough to gain votes off defecting BNP voters. Also lol at the suggestion Lib Dems would defect to Greens, Lib Dem losses have largely gone to Labour who've benefited massively from the Lib Dems being in coalition as have the Greens to a lesser extent. I've yet to see valid examples of 'social authoritarianism' because gay marriage and liberal immigration policies certainly don't fall into that category, in fact it's the opposite. UKIP have given support to stuff like the burqa ban which is a good example of social authoritarianism.

[prog2djent]

You've got it the wrong way round, I am saying those things mentioned are socially authoritarian polices :P

[lulubel]

Bnp just have too much baggage.

People are justifiably angry about the horrors of unfettered mass immigration and in the past the only party serious about stopping it was the bnp. But now, moderate parties like ukip are becoming bigger and so people no longer need vote bnp.

Also, it's not just the white community which is suffering. The minority working class communities are also feeling the negative effects of unfettered immigration policy as their unemployment rates show. This will mean a defence against mass immigration can be waged from all sections of society.

Ukip allows non whites to join in the struggle.

But, watch this space because all the left know is to screech racism at anything they do not agree with. So I suspect the screechers will be trying to smear ukip as waaacists.

[Llamageddon]

(Original post by callum9999)
As UKIP is getting stronger and actually starting to take things other than Europe remotely seriously, and aren't a bunch of hardcore racists so are publicly acceptable to vote for, I'd imagine they are taking a load of the votes the BNP used to get.

Yeah, UKIP almost broke double figures on the council seat front.

[Cannotbelieveit]

(Original post by Brutal Honesty)
I've seen military parades and there's always BNP flags being waved there. Most people who join the army join young, when they're 18 and that's usually before they've managed to sign up to the BNP. After they leave they might join though, you often see the BNP campaigning with a guy wearing an army uniform. I suppose sending a racist into a country full of brown people armed with machine guns, grenades, RPGs, tanks etc. is a tad irresponsible.

Bull****, the majority of soldiers are just simple Labour and Tory voters. And first off, no army personnel would ever campaign for the BNP, because public support for the BNP is not permitted in the Armed Forces.
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[Llamageddon]

(Original post by ConnorB)
Problem I have with the BNP is never mind the racial undertones that drive the party, is the fact that they are all utterly clueless! The country would stop ticking with them in charge!

They're not the only ones. I had the UKIP guy running for councillor harp on about how we needed to leave the EU because of decisions made by the ECtHR.

You know when you think a particular conversation has made you less intelligent? That was one such occasion.

[callum9999]

(Original post by lulubel)
Bnp just have too much baggage.

People are justifiably angry about the horrors of unfettered mass immigration and in the past the only party serious about stopping it was the bnp. But now, moderate parties like ukip are becoming bigger and so people no longer need vote bnp.

Also, it's not just the white community which is suffering. The minority working class communities are also feeling the negative effects of unfettered immigration policy as their unemployment rates show. This will mean a defence against mass immigration can be waged from all sections of society.

Ukip allows non whites to join in the struggle.

But, watch this space because all the left know is to screech racism at anything they do not agree with. So I suspect the screechers will be trying to smear ukip as waaacists.

Really? So the left have called tuition fees "racist", or the cut to 45p income tax "racist"? I think you will find, the left largely call racist things racist... Yes, the definition of racism may be spread a little thinner than some people may like, but it's strongly related and not just some random thing they don't agree with...

And the idiots going on about "unfettered immigration" have clearly never gone through a UK border crossing - UK immigration policy is anything but "unfettered". It may be more lenient than you want it to be, but there is a myriad of restrictions on it.

[lulubel]

(Original post by callum9999)
Really? So the left have called tuition fees "racist", or the cut to 45p income tax "racist"? I think you will find, the left largely call racist things racist... Yes, the definition of racism may be spread a little thinner than some people may like, but it's strongly related and not just some random thing they don't agree with...

And the idiots going on about "unfettered immigration" have clearly never gone through a UK border crossing - UK immigration policy is anything but "unfettered". It may be more lenient than you want it to be, but there is a myriad of restrictions on it.

Ok, no need to be pedantic. Not everyone on the left cries waaacism at the clouds.

But, certainly, I have heard the argument that tuition fee cuts are waaacist because they would affect ethnic minorities disproportionately......complete BS but that's what you get from the left.

Cry waaacism, argument over. It's he gift that keeps on giving.


Also, Immigration is effectively unfettered because the removal system is non existent and every few years an amnesty is granted.

[callum9999]

(Original post by lulubel)
Ok, no need to be pedantic. Not everyone on the left cries waaacism at the the clouds.

But, certainly, I have heard an argument that tuition fee cuts are waaacist because they would affect ethnic minorities disproportionately......complete BS but that's what you get from the left.

Cry waaacism, argument over. It's he gift that keeps on giving.


Also, Immigration is effectively unfettered because the removal system is non existent and every few years an amnesty is granted.

I think you're mixing being pedantic up with telling the truth. "The left" not only doesn't call everything they disagree with "racist", but it also doesn't act as one voice. Anyone saying the tuition fees are racist is a moron (if they did infact call it racist - wouldn't surprise me if you are twisting their words) and a tiny minority within "the left". Not remotely "what you get from the left".

Again, immigration is not unfettered because you are talking a load of absolute rubbish. When exactly were these mythical amnesties - and how many took part in them? Where exactly are the figures that show illegal immigrant removal is remotely non-existent? I can guarantee that if it was remotely unfettered, there would be millions upon millions upon millions more immigrants in the country. (But there we go, that's just me being pedantic, expecting people to use vaguely accurate terminology...).

[Libertarian_Walrus]

If you try to link UKIP with BNP you are either uneducated, misinformed or ignorant. The BNP is a left wing autoritarian party; UKIP are a centre right libertarian party. Also, UKIP are the only party that bans ex BNP members from joining.

[Jeester]

Lack of media coverage recently is why I think they have lost so many.

[Magda1502]

(Original post by ocelotrevs)
They were getting desperate and confused from the moment they choose Carlos Cortiglia to run for the London Mayor. The man is from Uruguay.
What's that about?!

Quite! Especially when, after Griffin lost last time, he said "you've taken London from the English and given it to the foreigners"... He's either seriously changed his tune, or there just isn't anyone in the BNP who they want the public to see...

[prog2djent]

(Original post by Libertarian_Walrus)
UKIP are a centre right libertarian party. .

Apart from that, yes, the BNP are left wing and [very] authoritarian, and ex-BNP members (not voters though, ther distinction has to be made) are banned from pretty much any party apart from those more fascist than them, the NF, National Socialists, British and English Freedom parties.