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    (Original post by Algorithm69)
    Indeed. It's like smashing your head against a brick wall.
    Arguing with this guy is like playing chess with a pigeon.

    You could be the greatest player in the world, but the pigeon will still knock over all the pieces, s**t on the board and strut around triumphantly.
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    A laughable attempt with laughable sources. And well done, seeing as how you're so fond of asserting people have commited a logical fallacy, you just made a biggie yourself:

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop
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    1) What evidence have you possibly got to suggest that the towers were designed to withstand plane attacks? fires, yes. but plane attacks no chance.
    how about the the project manager of the construction

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO1JxpVb2eU


    2) Again where is the evidence the government won't allow an investigation? Surely they can investigate what they want. The official report cannot be categorical as speculation for painfully obvious reasons.
    no, people dont have access to the evidence as it is confidential.

    3) Another person's argument cannot be considered as evidence and that is all you have supported your inside job claim with so far. And I'm not in denial, I'm judging the matter on logical evidence which you seem to be incapable of doing in a number of regards - I've been reading some of your other threads.
    show me where i do not provide evidence for my claims. attack my argument, not me!

    4) This allegation that Al Qaeda doesn't exist is just ridiculous. They were well known and notorious well before 9/11. Bin Laden came out and accepted responsibility for the attacks and other Islamic countries supported this and condemned him - even if pakistan secretly sheltered him.
    BBC documentary "power of nightmares" confirms this, watch the first minute.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEBQY63skvY

    no, nin laden denied this.

    "Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks"

    http://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16...ial/index.html

    no, im a muslim and we're against the killing of innocent people, i condemn the CIA for carry out those attacks!

    5) the war on terror collectively has cost 4 trillion: http://news.brown.edu/pressreleases/2011/06/warcosts . that's an awful lot of oil needed to cover those costs not even considering the loss of life. There's much easier sources of oil in the world and us have sizable reserves themselves anyway. Those figures about making *their* money back in just over a month are simply ridiculous. As I understand relatively little of Iraq's oil has been taken anyway: http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...948787,00.html
    the 15 trillion dollar a year economy depends on oil, so they made their money back in 4 months...

    whose life, the life of people in the middle east, yeah im sure they care a lot. as long as the elite dont die, the elite wont care. no, the biggest oil reserves in the world are in the middle east. iraq was going to stop trading in dollars, therefore the US would no longer get it for "free" and when other countries buy it, it would no longer benefit them.

    6) I meant to say hijack threads, which you clearly do - this has nothing to do with my original post and I've seen you do it elsewhere.
    no, your original post was about bin laden, this is still connected to him, i mentioned him earlier on in this post...

    spend less time attacking me, more time attacking my argument.
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    (Original post by Algorithm69)
    A laughable attempt with laughable sources. And well done, seeing as how you're so fond of asserting people have commited a logical fallacy, you just made a biggie yourself:

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop
    how about you attack the argument. i could say the same about your sources.
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    (Original post by Banishingboredom)
    Arguing with this guy is like playing chess with a pigeon.

    You could be the greatest player in the world, but the pigeon will still knock over all the pieces, s**t on the board and strut around triumphantly.
    Ad hominem attacks are ultimately self-defeating. They are equivalent to admitting that you have lost the argument
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    Listen Pigeon I've had enough of this now. I'll come back and argue with you about the assertion that Islam is against the killing of innocent people later, but this is just going round in circles as you're not taking anything we say on board.
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    (Original post by Algorithm69)
    'All' lol. You mean a tiny minority. A minority so dissatisfied and yet seem to be unable to provide their own peer-reviewed articles explaining the towers could not have collapsed without controlled explosions. Anyway, see my previous post for your further research.
    all that are presented with the evidence. like the architect said, its damming to the country, so im sure some just keep quiet.

    Well, you know what happens when you assume. Did that other guy you posted publish a peer-reviewed article explaining his findings? Can you link it to me, because I'd honestly love to see a credible source proving your claims right. I'm ready to be wrong.
    here are a few

    http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?c...uthorName=Gage


    I don't know what that means.
    read it again


    Actually, I've provided credible evidence. A peer-reviewed article from a respectable journal, and now many others. It is you, it seems, who have failed to provide any credible evidence, just speculation, tenuous evidence, assumptions, your own baseless opinions, and the opinions of a tiny minority of the engineering community, which are irrelevant on their own. Peer-review is where scientific opinions are won, not on conspiracy websites or news interviews.
    you haven't provided evidence that hasn't been debunked.i provided over 100 articles.

    i've provided you the link above.. how about you attack his arguments.
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    (Original post by Banishingboredom)
    Listen Pigeon I've had enough of this now. I'll come back and argue with you about the assertion that Islam is against the killing of innocent people later, but this is just going round in circles as you're not taking anything we say on board.
    i've debunked everything you've said. insulting me is ad hominem, a sure sign you've lost, accept the truth.
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    Pigeon you've debunked nothing. Now fly off and s**t all over someone else's thread please
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    Not convinced, no substantial evidence whatsoever that it was an inside job.

    A couple pages back there was a misconception that the steel structure had to melt to fail?: not the case, the structure weakened due to concentrated heat lowering the yield strength, fracture toughness and introduced thermal stresses. The plane itself plus the culmination of the already impacted floors results in much greater localised loading and the severing of much of the existing structure concentrated the existing loads (removing even a small percent of a supporting area can concentrate stresses much, much more). Once the structure in the area of the fire collapsed, the subsequent floors were at least ten times too weak to prevent further floor collapses. The building's architects claimed to have designed for impact (which it did) but their claim that it could withstand the ensuing fire to an already damaged structure were not true and not substantiated. This kind of prediction is not even possible with today's simulation models and computing power.
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    (Original post by King-Panther)
    how about you attack the argument. i could say the same about your sources.
    I am attacking your argument. I'm saying you have no argument. You have no credible evidence. I do, and they completely contradict your views. Your 'sources' up there appear to be a huge list of newspaper articles, news interviews, and articles appearing on conspiracy websites. It has no rhyme or reason. You just posted a wall of text without even reading what it was. I actually took the time to select my sources (WHICH ARE PEER-REVIEWED JOURNAL ARTICLES) and even posted the short conclusion to one. My sources were a Haiku compared to your mess. If there are journal articles in that mess that provides evidence for your position, find them and show me. I've done you that courtesy.

    The only reason you posted that was a weak attempt to overwhelm me with a tl:dr fallacy. It's the same thing over and over. I ask you to provide credible evidence, you keep providing crap over and over. That is the sign of someone losing a debate.

    (Original post by King-Panther)

    all that are presented with the evidence. like the architect said, its damming to the country, so im sure some just keep quiet.
    Baseless speculation. No evidence. Typical of conspiracy theories. Next.

    Not peer-reviewed articles. Evidence of nothing. Next.

    (Original post by King-Panther)
    read it again
    Just did. If you're sure there are plenty of journals, post them. As of yet you have not. Next.

    (Original post by King-Panther)
    you haven't provided evidence that hasn't been debunked.i provided over 100 articles.
    Yes I have. I've posted many journal articles providing evidence against your position. You have provided a wall of text containing nothing credible that I can see. Next.

    (Original post by King-Panther)
    i've provided you the link above.. how about you attack his arguments.
    I've already provided a 2008 peer-reviewed article, with its conclusion, stating that the controlled explosion 'hypothesis' (it isn't actually a coherent idea) is a fantasy. Do you have a peer-reviewed article saying a controlled demolition does fit the evidence?
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    Not really sure if it was an inside job myself, but if anyone is wondering why America would do such a thing to their own country, Google: Operation Northwoods.
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    Sometimes, its more than their effort they waste.
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    (Original post by Banishingboredom)
    ...but this is just going round in circles as you're not taking anything we say on board.
    (Original post by f1mad)
    There's nothing to attack.

    It's a circular argument; I'm not going to waste my time.
    You should've realised that when the thread began .

    Don't waste your time.
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    I don't really buy the conspiracy theories flying around but anyone with properly functioning eyes can tell they are not the same person.
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    Good old Blighty
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    (Original post by King-Panther)
    a professional can distinguish between a real and fake photo.... but why not give us this chance, they haven't provided any evidence but people like you have just accepted it.

    i wouldn't know how he died, but according the people in the government, he died 10 years ago, what do you have to say about that?
    I have nothing to say about that, as he released video tapes which consider current events, so unless he can predict the future...he was alive
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    Omfg i read this thread and now i just watched 1 hour of 9/11 videos and i need to work **** all of you conspiracy ****s
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    (Original post by Banishingboredom)
    I suppose the moon landing was fake
    Don't even get me started; my friend thinks that. He also thinks that aliens built the pyramids :teehee:

    He has a somewhat compelling argument (on occasion), but at the same time I think he just likes the fantastical elements of alternative explanations.

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