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    Hi;

    I was just thinking, but, you know how people in prison typically don't do much of anything to contribute to society, do you think it would be best to make people in prison clean the streets or something in order to help contribute to the economy before being escorted back to prison when their shift finishes?

    Also, what do you think people in prison should be made to do in order to make use of prisons?
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    if they were cleaning the streets they wouldn't be in prison
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    (Original post by Scienceisgood)
    Hi;

    I was just thinking, but, you know how people in prison typically don't do much of anything to contribute to society, do you think it would be best to make people in prison clean the streets or something in order to help contribute to the economy before being escorted back to prison when their shift finishes?

    Also, what do you think people in prison should be made to do in order to make use of prisons?
    no.

    cause if there is a job a prisoner can be doing it should be made into actual jobs instead.
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    I think that prisons should be hooked up to the national grid. (Read my out, not in favour of electocuting everyone)

    I genuinely believe, although admittedly I'm not sure how feasible this is, that if every prison cell had a handle in the wall, hooked up to a manual generator (similar to wind-up torches but on a bigger scale), with each prisoner having a minimum requirement of handle-turns per day, we could turn prisons into power stations and save a fortune. Same goes for hooking up gyms' exercise bikes, etc.
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    (Original post by marky--mark)
    I think that prisons should be hooked up to the national grid. (Read my out, not in favour of electocuting everyone)

    I genuinely believe, although admittedly I'm not sure how feasible this is, that if every prison cell had a handle in the wall, hooked up to a manual generator (similar to wind-up torches but on a bigger scale), with each prisoner having a minimum requirement of handle-turns per day, we could turn prisons into power stations and save a fortune. Same goes for hooking up gyms' exercise bikes, etc.
    i like that idea. it costs £37,000 to keep one standard prisoner locked up for just 1 year. they could make some use of them.
    they could use the worst prisoners (paedos, senseless murders etc) for medical testing, will save the little bunny rabbits suffering, and we could find cures for diseases much faster if we use humans.
    might make them think twice before commiting crimes if that was the punishment
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    (Original post by marky--mark)
    I think that prisons should be hooked up to the national grid. (Read my out, not in favour of electocuting everyone)

    I genuinely believe, although admittedly I'm not sure how feasible this is, that if every prison cell had a handle in the wall, hooked up to a manual generator (similar to wind-up torches but on a bigger scale), with each prisoner having a minimum requirement of handle-turns per day, we could turn prisons into power stations and save a fortune. Same goes for hooking up gyms' exercise bikes, etc.
    That is actually an awesome idea
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    In a way, yes. However, unemployed workers could do with those jobs, so they need them the most (even if it is cleaning the streats). However, I can see prisoners clearing snow and ice quite appealing.
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    I know what you mean, but, with the government laying people off left right and centre, I think it best we make the most out of our current situation, a little "free" labour never hurt anyone did it?
    I mean, they get fed, housed and security at the expense of the tax payer. I do not.
    They can at least work a couple hours a week, right?

    Currently, the UK prison number is 97k people. So, if everyone in prison worked a couple hours a week, that accounts to 194,000 hours of free service. This accounts to an annual saving at minimum wage of roughly £1.18m saved a year in the public coffers.

    The current UK debt is £1,278,200,000, big number right?
    But, that 1.18m is equivillent to roughly 0.09% of the national debt. If you were to make it 6 hours a week. it would be 0.27% of the national debt.
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    (Original post by Scienceisgood)
    I know what you mean, but, with the government laying people off left right and centre, I think it best we make the most out of our current situation, a little "free" labour never hurt anyone did it?
    I mean, they get fed, housed and security at the expense of the tax payer. I do not.
    They can at least work a couple hours a week, right?

    Currently, the UK prison number is 97k people. So, if everyone in prison worked a couple hours a week, that accounts to 194,000 hours of free service. This accounts to an annual saving at minimum wage of roughly £1.18m saved a year in the public coffers.

    The current UK debt is £1,278,200,000, big number right?
    But, that 1.18m is equivillent to roughly 0.09% of the national debt. If you were to make it 6 hours a week. it would be 0.27% of the national debt.
    erm yeah the people who want jobs but cant get them cause where randomly handing out free labour
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    ^
    Like I said, if the government has gone over budget, then resort to this.
    Even then, it could be used to do things like painting for a charity or something (like interior designs) or something. Charities could use the donations.
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    If you are arguing that they should be forced to do it, you're advocating slavery.

    If you want to have it as an optional thing which carries a reward of a reduced sentence, then yeah, seems OK.
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    It costs more to keep a prisoner than send him to Eton College, make then work off the cost of their sentence and it will give them skills so that they don't have to re offend (as the only people who should be let out are those who will not re offend) due to lack of skills. They can be paid a small wage and receive benefits like a TV if they work well. The Victorians had good ideas on prisons, make them so horrible so people don't offend and get sent there, and if they did they worked to pay for the costs of keeping them locked up.
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    (Original post by marky--mark)
    I think that prisons should be hooked up to the national grid. (Read my out, not in favour of electocuting everyone)

    I genuinely believe, although admittedly I'm not sure how feasible this is, that if every prison cell had a handle in the wall, hooked up to a manual generator (similar to wind-up torches but on a bigger scale), with each prisoner having a minimum requirement of handle-turns per day, we could turn prisons into power stations and save a fortune. Same goes for hooking up gyms' exercise bikes, etc.
    I like this idea although I think human rights would be infringed slightly. Let's not even get into the debate of whether I think prisoners should have rights or not.. Guess it depends what they're in for!

    However the exercise bikes being used as generators is an amazing idea! Why do gyms not do this!
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    (Original post by Cattty)
    i like that idea. it costs £37,000 to keep one standard prisoner locked up for just 1 year. they could make some use of them.
    they could use the worst prisoners (paedos, senseless murders etc) for medical testing, will save the little bunny rabbits suffering, and we could find cures for diseases much faster if we use humans.
    might make them think twice before commiting crimes if that was the punishment
    Sadly Human rights come in to play.

    (Though personally I think they lose those rights when they break some laws (NOT ALL!))
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    (Original post by justmyopinions)
    In a way, yes. However, unemployed workers could do with those jobs, so they need them the most (even if it is cleaning the streats). However, I can see prisoners clearing snow and ice quite appealing.
    But it's not like that.
    Whole fields go unpicked these days because british people just don't want to stoop to that level and Easton Europeans are no longer coming over.
    People just arn't willing to do it.
    Shame really.
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    No. Why?

    1. An small army of civil servants would be required to supervise and organise.
    2. This would transfer yet more jobs from the private sector to the public sector.
    3. Free (or more accurately "forced") labour incentivises the state to impose prison sentences, as is alleged in America.
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    Far be it for us to try to rehabilitate and educate prisoners to be better people.
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    (Original post by marky--mark)
    I think that prisons should be hooked up to the national grid. (Read my out, not in favour of electocuting everyone)

    I genuinely believe, although admittedly I'm not sure how feasible this is, that if every prison cell had a handle in the wall, hooked up to a manual generator (similar to wind-up torches but on a bigger scale), with each prisoner having a minimum requirement of handle-turns per day, we could turn prisons into power stations and save a fortune. Same goes for hooking up gyms' exercise bikes, etc.
    Lol. Love this!
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    (Original post by Jeester)
    But it's not like that.
    Whole fields go unpicked these days because british people just don't want to stoop to that level and Easton Europeans are no longer coming over.
    People just arn't willing to do it.
    Shame really.
    people don't pick wheat by hand, and operating farming equipment isn't something you can just get untrained people off the street to do
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    (Original post by lucaf)
    people don't pick wheat by hand, and operating farming equipment isn't something you can just get untrained people off the street to do
    Did I mention wheat? What gave you the impression I was talking about one arable crop?

    I'm talking about things like strawberrys and and other fruit and veg.

    Refere to this:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/ear...t-and-veg.html
    As the unemployed won't pick them because they will lose their benefits which can be more than the wage, we should get the prisoners to do it and pay them the same amount we paid the Easton Europeans, taking some out to pay for accomodation and food costs and investing the rest so when the prisoner is released they can recieve it in small increments to help them out whilst they are finding jobs and getting back in to life.

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