[Otkem]

I think the reason that it is so awful at the moment is because it is paid for by taxpayers, and so there is no incentive for it to improve because staff know they can be as **** as they want and they'll always be bailed out by the hard-working public (this applies to whole of the public sector though, and is part of the reason I dislike the public sector so much). The UKBA has a backlog of thousands of cases, appalling waiting times at UK airports, and a growing mountain of complaints about the way it handles it cases (97% of which were upheld in 2009-10 by the Parliamentary Ombudsman). If it were privatised and driven by results and success, would we see an increase in the service provided by the UKBA? Would we see a reduction in the number of illegal immigrants if the UKBA were financially penalised for not deporting enough illegal immigrants in a timely enough manner?

I believe that nationalisation is a failed experiment, and the UKBA is an example of this, and should therefore be given to the market in order to increase its efficiency.

[Otkem]

Further proof that the department is currently not fit for purporse --->>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17668569

[travoot]

I'd rather leave the security of the realm to the state, not to private companies. There's a fine line between what should exist primarily in the free-market and what should exclusively reside within the confines of the state. I'd rather not leave the inspection of passengers to Wall-mart and then a few weeks later have a terrorist wander through.

[Otkem]

(Original post by travoot)
I'd rather leave the security of the realm to the state, not to private companies. There's a fine line between what should exist primarily in the free-market and what should exclusively reside within the confines of the state. I'd rather not leave the inspection of passengers to Wall-mart and then a few weeks later have a terrorist wander through.

The UKBA couldn't manage a piss-up in a brewery, let alone protect the security of the realm. McDonald's would do a better job than our border agency.

[DarkWhite]

[quattro94]

Give them guns and dogs and we'll consider it

[quavers]

Let's privatise the UK!

[thegodofgod]

(Original post by quattro94)
Give them guns and dogs and we'll consider it

Meh

Knowing the 'justice system' of the UK, someone who shoots a terrorist would probably be thrown into prison

And then they'll get let out in 2 years because of 'good behaviour'.

Stronger

[quattro94]

(Original post by thegodofgod)
Meh

Knowing the 'justice system' of the UK, someone who shoots a terrorist would probably be thrown into prison

And then they'll get let out in 2 years because of 'good behaviour'.

Stronger

hows about we give the dogs the guns? they can't be held accountable for their actions

[Snagprophet]

How do you privatise this? Who pays them to work? Who do they compete with?

[Spaz Man]

Not only is this a market failure (allocative inefficiency) but it's a fail in general.

[LeeC]

(Original post by Otkem)
I believe that nationalisation is a failed experiment, and the UKBA is an example of this, and should therefore be given to the market in order to increase its efficiency.

They'd be no competition for them, and they'd do everything in the name of profit, not security. No way.

[Moleman1996]

Never. This would increase the problem of bribery and allow even more corners to be cut.

[orange'94]

NO, security is a country matter and should be dealt with by the state.

[ed-]

I'm not sure about privatisation, but it needs to be completly reformed.
Maybe that would be a better reform than the HofL?
A more productive one, at least.

[chrisawhitmore]

(Original post by Snagprophet)
How do you privatise this? Who pays them to work? Who do they compete with?

The way I'd work it is to keep a central office, run by the state, but offer ground level contracts to the various private security firms, on the scale of a per dock or per airport operation.

[Rarrgh]

Hmmmm wouldn't mind honestly myself, would save some of the taxpayers money, it probably would improve the way the border is run. I mean they would defiantly have to ad hear to rules from then government and would defiantly need to be checked to make sure that they weren't doing anything illegal but it could work, who knows.