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  1. tyre's Avatar
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    Integration+Rate of change+Differential equation
    HI there can someone help me solve this problem:

    The Rate of Change of dy/dt of a variable x at time t is proportional to 4t-3. Given that at t=2, x is 4 more than its original value and that at t=3, x is seven times its original value, find x in terms of t. Find the time at which x has its lowest value and find this lowest value.

    Thanks for your help in advance.
    Last edited by tyre; 05-05-2012 at 14:25.
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    Re: Integration+Rate of change+Differential equation
    So my working is as follows:

    Since dy/dt is proportional to 4t-3

    ->That dy/dt=k(4t-3)

    Next making dy subject of formulae

    ->dy= k(4t-3) x dt

    Next integrating both sides

    ->integrate(1 dy)= integrate (k(4t-3))
    -> x=2kt^2-3kt+c

    only that i came up with the rest i don't know wht to do??
    Last edited by tyre; 05-05-2012 at 14:25.
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    Re: Integration+Rate of change+Differential equation
    Are you sure you mean dy/dx ? What is y?
  4. tyre's Avatar
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    Re: Integration+Rate of change+Differential equation
    Sorry an error has occurred now the question is set right..
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    Re: Integration+Rate of change+Differential equation
    (Original post by tyre)
    So my working is as follows:

    Since dy/dt is proportional to 4t-3

    ->That dy/dt=k(4t-3)

    Next making dy subject of formulae

    ->dy= k(4t-3) x dt

    Next integrating both sides

    ->integrate(1 dy)= integrate (k(4t-3))
    -> x=2kt^2-3kt+c

    only that i came up with the rest i don't know wht to do??
    "Given that at t=2, x is 4 more than its original value". This means that at t=2, 2kt^2-3kt+c is 4 more than when t=0. Can you carry on from here?
  6. tyre's Avatar
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    Re: Integration+Rate of change+Differential equation
    How did you know that x is more than 4 of its original when t=0?? Please tell me maybe then i can continue
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    Re: Integration+Rate of change+Differential equation
    (Original post by tyre)
    How did you know that x is more than 4 of its original when t=0?? Please tell me maybe then i can continue
    It's not completely clear but "original value" implies the value at the start of whatever's happening i.e. when the time starts (t=0).
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    Re: Integration+Rate of change+Differential equation
    (Original post by tyre)
    How did you know that x is more than 4 of its original when t=0?? Please tell me maybe then i can continue
    if it says original or initial they mean when t = 0
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    Re: Integration+Rate of change+Differential equation
    ok thnks yu guys i will try it now and notice yu back if anything goes wrong ok??
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    Re: Integration+Rate of change+Differential equation
    Hi i am stuck again because when t=0, from x=2kt^2-3kt+C
    ->x=C

    when t=2 , X=C+4 and when t=3, X=7C

    now what??
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    Re: Integration+Rate of change+Differential equation
    by the way the answer is x=4t^2-6t+3 -> x in terms of t
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    Re: Integration+Rate of change+Differential equation
    (Original post by tyre)
    Hi i am stuck again because when t=0, from x=2kt^2-3kt+C
    ->x=C

    when t=2 , X=C+4
    This is all correct but if you look at the bold part above, you have that when t=2, x=8k-6k+C = 2k+C

    So 2k+C=C+4

    Can you finish it from here?
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    Re: Integration+Rate of change+Differential equation
    Therefore

    k=2

    giving,

    x=4t^2-6t+c

    when t=3, x=7c and x=9k+c
    ->9k+c=7c

    since k=2

    ->from 9k+c=7c implies 6c=18 therefore, c=3

    substituting k=2 and c=3


    -> x=4t^2-6t+3 which is the answer therefore

    Congrats to notnek and the bear for helping me without you another copybook would have finished with trial and error of the problems
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