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Re: Is this not racist?Poor justification. If you had seen the Channel 4 documentary on them a few weeks back you'd see what I mean.(Original post by KimKallstrom)
No, the EDL is an anti-Muslim group. It had no baring on anything to do with race since Islam is a world view and not a race. -
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Re: Is this not racist?Do you by any chance have a link?(Original post by Elwyn)
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Re: Is this not racist?Unfortunately it's no longer on 4OD but I do have the link with the information for it: http://www.channel4.com/programmes/proud-and-prejudiced(Original post by de_monies)
Do you by any chance have a link?
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Re: Is this not racist?Fair enough. Thanks(Original post by Elwyn)
Unfortunately it's no longer on 4OD but I do have the link with the information for it: http://www.channel4.com/programmes/proud-and-prejudiced
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Re: Is this not racist?You are obviously a racist individual yourself, the hypocrisy here is staggering. The EDL is a racist organisation which you seem to be showing some support for. The Black Students group whatever its called is clearly looking for equality not for superior rights (because people like you keep them down). Referring to an entire race as "these blacks" makes you look like scum...(Original post by Zeffy)
Photographs from the pathetic Anti-EDL demo.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/station...57629609024044
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ectomorfo/7146128521/
Why is that not considered racist? How can an organisation exist that hopes to "fight for black liberation, education and equality"?
That's racist. If there was a White Students Campaign it would be shouted down by middle-class white lib-tards as been racist.
Why do these blacks need to bring race into everything? Why do they deserve preferential treatment?
They need to get rid of the chip off their shoulder and realise that the days of racism towards blacks are long gone and that today, theya re on the whole regarded as equals and have the exact same chances and opportunities for education and equality as whites too.
Possibly even more so given the fact they can apparently have obvious racist organisations such as this focussing on an openly obvious black agenda without being called out on it.
Even worse, the so called "anti-racist" UAF stood side by side with this group of racists.
Still, at least the EDL got good numbers of around 3000. -
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Re: Is this not racist?What do you call 3,000, if not 'in the thousands'? He isn't exaggerating at all. In fact, you've even admitted that they had thousands there!(Original post by de_monies)
Here's an exaggeration of numbers. AFAIK, it was 3000 EDL to 1000 UAF/Muslims so hardly in the thousands. And then he has the has tag as above, so he's clearly not just targeting extremist Muslims but all Muslims
https://twitter.com/#!/EDLTrobinson
Thousands = the numbers between 1000 and 999,999.
I find it ironic that you mentioned his inability to understand the English language when you've just displayed the same ineptitude.Last edited by Formerly Helpful_C; 06-05-2012 at 02:13. -
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Re: Is this not racist?I suppose, but when someone says thousands, they rarely mean 2/3. Also, my excuse is that I'm not English and I was tired as well(Original post by Formerly Helpful_C)
What do you call 3,000 if not 'in the thousands'? He isn't exaggerating at all. In fact, you've even admitted that they had thousands there!
Thousands = the numbers between 1000 and 999,999.
I find it ironic that you mentioned his inability to understand the English language, when you've just displayed the same ineptitude. -
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Re: Is this not racist?straws must have been on discount at Asda because you seemed to be clutching to them....no clinging to them for dear life.(Original post by Zeffy)
Photographs from the pathetic Anti-EDL demo.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/station...57629609024044
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ectomorfo/7146128521/
Why is that not considered racist? How can an organisation exist that hopes to "fight for black liberation, education and equality"?
That's racist. If there was a White Students Campaign it would be shouted down by middle-class white lib-tards as been racist.
Why do these blacks need to bring race into everything? Why do they deserve preferential treatment?
They need to get rid of the chip off their shoulder and realise that the days of racism towards blacks are long gone and that today, theya re on the whole regarded as equals and have the exact same chances and opportunities for education and equality as whites too.
Possibly even more so given the fact they can apparently have obvious racist organisations such as this focussing on an openly obvious black agenda without being called out on it.
Even worse, the so called "anti-racist" UAF stood side by side with this group of racists.
Still, at least the EDL got good numbers of around 3000.
And racism against blacks long gone? Shame you don't realise that yourself. -
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Re: Is this not racist?"Lib-tards" has more than one syllable.(Original post by de_monies)
You realise that "lib-tards" don't really see that as an insult. It instead shows that you have to resort to using words like "lib-tard" as opposed to say "liberal retard" Though I suppose saying things with more than one syllable is hard
If any thing, it should really be an insult to yourself for the above reasons. For the record, I lean to the left socially and I lean to the right economically
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Re: Is this not racist?I did realise that when I was writing it, but then I figured that lib and tard were just hyphened together, so I wrote one syllable instead of two(Original post by Formerly Helpful_C)
"Lib-tards" has more than one syllable.
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Re: Is this not racist?You must be new to this website (I can see the join date, by the way). I implore you to just have a read of popular - and controversial - threads and you will see that self-deprecation is in. Naturally, this phenomenon only affects the white, liberal demographic.(Original post by SilverSurfer22)
the anti facists or anti-whites are the ones who are the problem not the EDL, the arrests made today were anti-white protestors not EDL members
I cannot understand why any sensible white person would join these anti-white protestors, it is beyond belief
these anti-facists never protest against muslim extremists they only protest against white organisations
the anti-facists are the racists, not the EDL
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Re: Is this not racist?Try to imagine how much brainwashing it would take to convince all the Asians living in Asia, that they need to go ahead and replace themselves (in Asia) with North African Muslims????
Now imagine that they were so totally brainwashed that they really believed it would be RACIST not to????
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Re: Is this not racist?) HUMAN RIGHTS: Protecting And Promoting Human Rights
The English Defence League (EDL) is a human rights organisation that was founded in the wake of the shocking actions of a small group of Muslim extremists who, at a homecoming parade in Luton, openly mocked the sacrifices of our service personnel without any fear of censure. Although these actions were certainly those of a minority, we believe that they reflect other forms of religiously-inspired intolerance and barbarity that are thriving amongst certain sections of the Muslim population in Britain: including, but not limited to, the denigration and oppression of women, the molestation of young children, the committing of so-called honour killings, homophobia, anti-Semitism, and continued support for those responsible for terrorist atrocities.
Whilst we must always protect against the unjust assumption that all Muslims are complicit in or somehow responsible for these crimes, we must not be afraid to speak freely about these issues. This is why the EDL will continue to work to protect the inalienable rights of all people to protest against radical Islam’s encroachment into the lives of non-Muslims.
We also recognise that Muslims themselves are frequently the main victims of some Islamic traditions and practices. The Government should protect the individual human rights of members of British Muslims. It should ensure that they can openly criticise Islamic orthodoxy, challenge Islamic leaders without fear of retribution, receive full equality before the law (including equal rights for Muslim women), and leave Islam if they see fit, without fear of censure.
British Muslims should be able to safely demand reform of their religion, in order to make it more relevant to the needs of the modern world and more respectful of other groups in society. It is important that they completely reject the views of those who believe that Islam should be taken in its ‘original’, 7th century form, because these interpretations are the antithesis of Western democracy. The onus should be on British Muslims to overcome the problems that blight their religion and achieve nothing short of an Islamic reformation. In line with this, we should do all that we can to empower those who are willing to take this path. We must also ensure that they do not fear reprisals from those who, in line with these 7th century interpretations, would force sharia law upon them.
The EDL calls upon the Government to repeal legislation that prevents effective freedom of speech, for freedom of speech is essential if the human rights abuses that sometimes manifest themselves around Islam are to be stopped.
We believe that the proponents of radical Islam have a stranglehold on British Muslims. These radicals dominate Muslim organisations, remain key figures in British mosques, and are steadily increasing their influence. Radical Islam keeps British Muslims fearful and isolated, especially the women that it encases in the Burqa. It misrepresents their views, stifles freedom of expression, and indoctrinates their children, whilst continually doing a discredit to those who do wish to peacefully co-exist with their fellow Britons.
(2) DEMOCRACY AND THE RULE OF LAW: Promoting Democracy And The Rule Of Law By Opposing Sharia
The European Court of Human Rights has declared that ‘sharia is incompatible with the fundamental principles of democracy’. Despite this, there are still those who are more than willing to accommodate sharia norms, and who believe that sharia can operate in partnership with our existing traditions and customs. In reality, sharia cannot operate fully as anything other than a complete alternative to our existing legal, political, and social systems. It is a revolution that this country does not want, and one that it must resist. Sharia is most definitely a threat to our democracy.
The operation of Islamic courts, the often unreasonable demand that Islam is given more respect than it is due, and the stealthy incursion of halal meat into the food industry, all demonstrate that sharia is already creeping into our lives. Resentment is already beginning to grow, and could create dangerous divisions if nothing is done. The primacy of British courts must be maintained and defended, fair criticism of religious and political ideologies must be permitted, and consumers must be provided with the information necessary to avoid halal produce should they wish.
Restaurants and fast food chains that do offer halal options should offer non-halal alternatives as well, in order to show respect for other people’s religions, customs, and possible concerns about animal welfare issues (surrounding ritual slaughter). No one should be made to consume halal produce unwittingly, so it must always be labeled – in supermarkets, in restaurants, in schools, and in hospitals – wherever it is available. Free choice in these matters is, after all, a fundamental human right for everybody, not just the Muslim community.
Sharia law makes a fundamental distinction between Muslims and non-Muslims, and the EDL will never allow this sort of iniquitous apartheid to take root in our country. The EDL will therefore oppose sharia appeasement in all its forms, and will actively work to eradicate the sharia-compliant behaviours that are already being adopted, and enforced, in our society.
(3) PUBLIC EDUCATION: Ensuring That The Public Get A Balanced Picture Of Islam
A central part of the EDL’s mission is public education. The British political and media establishment have, for a long time, been presenting a very sanitised and therefore inaccurate view of Islam, shaped by the needs of policy-makers rather than the needs of the public. This has acted as a barrier to informed policy-making and made finding the solution to real problems impossible. In pursuing this self-defeating and destructive policy, the Government has effectively been acting as the propaganda arm of the Muslim Brotherhood. Whether or not is aware of the predicament that it has put itself in, it has so far failed to honestly admit its failures.
We are committed to a campaign of public education to ensure that all aspects of Islam that impact on our society can debated in an open and honest way. Demonisation of Muslims, or of Islam’s critics, adds nothing to the debate. We believe that only by looking at all the facts can society be most effectively and humanly governed. If there are aspects of Muslim tradition that encourage the activities of Islamic radicals and criminals then these need to be properly addressed without fear of accusations of racism, xenophobia, or the even the disingenuous term ‘Islamophobia’.
The public must be provided with a more realistic and less sanitised view of Islam that allows it to ensure that decision-makers are held to account for their policy-making choices, choices that affect the harmony and security of the nation.
The EDL promotes the understanding of Islam and the implications for non-Muslims forced to live alongside it. Islam is not just a religious system, but a political and social ideology that seeks to dominate all non-believers and impose a harsh legal system that rejects democratic accountability and human rights. It runs counter to all that we hold dear within our British liberal democracy, and it must be prepared to change, to conform to secular, liberal ideals and laws, and to contribute to social harmony, rather than causing divisions.
(4) RESPECTING TRADITION: Promoting The Traditions And Culture Of England While At The Same Time Being Open To Embrace The Best That Other Cultures Can Offer
The EDL believes that English Culture has the right to exist and prosper in England. We recognise that culture is not static, that over time changes take place naturally, and that other cultures make contributions that make our shared culture stronger and more vibrant. However, this does not give license to policy-makers to deliberately undermine our culture and impose non-English cultures on the English people in their own land.
If people migrate to this country then they should be expected to respect our culture, its laws, and its traditions, and not expect their own cultures to be promoted by agencies of the state. The best of their cultures will be absorbed naturally and we will all be united by the enhanced culture that results. The onus should always be on foreign cultures to adapt and integrate. If said cultures promote anti-democratic ideas and refuse to accept the authority of our nation’s laws, then the host nation should not be bowing to these ideas in the name of ’cultural sensitivity’. Law enforcement personnel must be able to enforce the rule of law thoroughly without prejudice or fear. Everyone, after all, is supposed to be equal in the eyes of the law.
The EDL is therefore keen to draw its support from people of all races, all faiths, all political persuasions, and all lifestyle choices. Under its umbrella, all people in England, whatever their background, or origin, can stand united in a desire to stop the imposition of the rules of Islam on non-believers. In order to ensure the continuity of our culture and its institutions, the EDL stands opposed to the creeping Islamisation of our country, because intimately related to the spread of Islamic religion is the political desire to implement an undemocratic alternative to our cherished way of life: the sharia.
Our armed forces stand up and risk their lives every day in order to protect our culture and democratic way of life. They are also reflective of England’s diversity, and are a shining example of what a people can achieve when united together. The EDL is therefore committed to opposing any and all abuse that our men and women in uniform are subjected to, and will campaign for legal remedies to ensure that those working within these important institutions are not exposed to abuse or aggression from within our country.
(5) INTERNATIONAL OUTLOOK: Working In Solidarity With Others Around The World
The EDL is keen to join with others who share our values, wherever they are in the world, and from whatever cultural background they derive. We believe that the demand for sharia is global and therefore needs to be tackled at a global as well as national level, so that this demand will never be succumbed to. The EDL will therefore have an international outlook to enhance and strengthen our domestic efforts, whilst at the same time contributing to the global struggle against Islamic intolerance of Western cultures, customs, religions, politics, and laws. The time for tolerating intolerance has come to an end: it is time for the whole world to unite against a truly Global Jihad.
READ THIS AND YOU WILL DISCOVER THE EDL IS NOT A RACIST ORGANISATION. IT WANTS TO STOP GLOBAL JIHADISM AND ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALISTS - IT NEVER MENTIONS BLACK RIGHTS BECAUSE IT SUPPORTS IT COMPLETELY. YOU ARE SOME BLIND IDIOTS WHO HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED BY OUR MEDIA. -
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Re: Is this not racist?Thank you for stating the TRUTH!(Original post by Formerly Helpful_C)
You must be new to this website (I can see the join date, by the way). I implore you to just have a read of popular - and controversial - threads and you will see that self-deprecation is in. Naturally, this phenomenon only affects the white, liberal demographic.
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Re: Is this not racist?A lot of the people in those photos look white to me, so how could it be a "black agenda" ??(Original post by Zeffy)
Photographs from the pathetic Anti-EDL demo.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/station...57629609024044
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ectomorfo/7146128521/
Why is that not considered racist? How can an organisation exist that hopes to "fight for black liberation, education and equality"?
That's racist. If there was a White Students Campaign it would be shouted down by middle-class white lib-tards as been racist.
Why do these blacks need to bring race into everything? Why do they deserve preferential treatment?
They need to get rid of the chip off their shoulder and realise that the days of racism towards blacks are long gone and that today, theya re on the whole regarded as equals and have the exact same chances and opportunities for education and equality as whites too.
Possibly even more so given the fact they can apparently have obvious racist organisations such as this focussing on an openly obvious black agenda without being called out on it.
Even worse, the so called "anti-racist" UAF stood side by side with this group of racists.
Still, at least the EDL got good numbers of around 3000.
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Re: Is this not racist?This x100000(Original post by k3n0bl)
Try to imagine how much brainwashing it would take to convince all the Asians living in Asia, that they need to go ahead and replace themselves (in Asia) with North African Muslims????
Now imagine that they were so totally brainwashed that they really believed it would be RACIST not to????
If you manage to do that: Welcome to the world of the White person who is Anti-Whites!
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Re: Is this not racist?isn't it weird how I have never heard anyone actually say other races cannot be racist? it is almost like that is just a delusion that people have made about liberals so you can dismiss our points.(Original post by Tim Wise)
Because only White people can be "racist." Haven't you learned that from your "education" yet.
Anti-racism is a code word for anti-White
and I still do not understand that "Anti-racism is a code word for anti-White" thing. so because I think that discriminating based on skin colour is wrong, and that people should be judged by their own deeds and not on preconceived stereotypes of their racial group, I must just flat out hate white people? -
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Re: Is this not racist?Link me to just ONE "anti-racist" campaign in Europe or one "racist" scandal that does NOT portray Whites as the perpetrators of "racism."(Original post by lucaf)
isn't it weird how I have never heard anyone actually say other races cannot be racist? it is almost like that is just a delusion that people have made about liberals so you can dismiss our points.
and I still do not understand that "Anti-racism is a code word for anti-White" thing. so because I think that discriminating based on skin colour is wrong, and that people should be judged by their own deeds and not on preconceived stereotypes of their racial group, I must just flat out hate white people?
Anti-racism IS a code word for anti-White, and most of the anti-Whites are just "educated" White people. Everyone who has grown out of their "education" realizes its called treason, it happens all the time.
