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    (Original post by Kiss)
    Its more because we are meant to be an 'equal' society and because there isn't anything for whites whilst there is plently for non-whites, non-christians, non-straights etc. people get frustrated and annoyed because it comes across as special treatment (which to a large degree it is), and even though it would be pointless its more that it cements the notion that we are all equal and no one gains any extra-special privelleges.
    Does this special treatment include treating people differently due to their skin colour?
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    (Original post by dee4life2137)
    Does this special treatment include treating people differently due to their skin colour?
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    Yes, if you hadn't gathered that then you might need some reading glasses or something???
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    (Original post by Tim Wise)
    LOL strange that isn't it You can't find any and then you ask me with a straight face to show you anti-White racism cases. DUUUUUHHHHHH You just answered that yourself by not being able to find ANYTHING, NOT ONE example of high profile "racism" cases or anti-racist campaigns in Europe that did not castigate White people as evil "Racists" Funny stuff.

    I asked you to counter anti-racism is a code word for anti-White by way of proving i am right and you could not. So it sticks. Anti-racism is a code word for anti-White. Everyone who has grown out of their "education" knows this.
    I misphrased that, sorry. I should have said high level, not high profile. so can you find any serious high level racism cases that have been downplayed because they are against whites? because that prove media bias, rather then just showing there is little high level racism

    and you have literally provided no evidence for that being the case in any of your posts to me. not a single post. in my first post to you, I said "so because I think that discriminating based on skin colour is wrong, and that people should be judged by their own deeds and not on preconceived stereotypes of their racial group, I must just flat out hate white people?", and you have still not answered that question. now give me a straight answer, how does the belief that we should not be judged on skin colour equate to being against whites? would you say that beating up a black guy simply because he is black is wrong? yes? congratulations, you are anti-racist! that is what it means.

    people who use anti-racism as a cover for being ani-white do exist, the kind of scum who genuinely think that minorities cannot be racist because it was whites who commited atrocities in the past. and guess what? those people are racist, because they are white people for things they did not do, because someone with their skin colour did it. they are judging them on their race, and you are grouping the vast majority of people who think that racism is wrong with them. do you realise how insulting and idiotic that is? to be told that us believing in true equality mean we are traitors to our own kind?
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    (Original post by dee4life2137)
    You are at school :O ...

    Education isnt just the teacher saying one line to the class. Starts at home, includes socialising with others(which im sure will be great fun with people like yourself) and how peers, teachers etc act towards a person.
    Lets hope the school you attend actually tries to teach people how to see and treat other people properly before you leave as they dont appear to have done so thus far.
    meh, year 13. and I think you misapprehend me, when have I mistreated people? are you under the impression I am racist? in my school the teachers and students treat black students no differently, they receive the same education, and I personally get on with most of them. shockingly, this results in them doing just as well as white students. yet for some reason this group is saying they need better opportunities?

    and "which im sure will be great fun with people like yourself"? why try and insult me? that is just plain childish.
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    (Original post by Kiss)
    Yes, if you hadn't gathered that then you might need some reading glasses or something???
    thought you might miss the irony...
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    Racism towards black people does exist in England.

    Being a young white male you obviously wouldn't notice nor care.

    My boyfriend asked me the other day what I would like to be born as if I was given the choice.

    At first I contemplated being born a white male. Easy life, everyone automatically likes you at first sight, opportunities being thrown at you everywhere etc.

    In the end I decided I would like to be born a black woman.

    As a woman, I already feel like I have a lot to prove. I have had conversations with people who genuinely believe that women aren't as intelligent as men simply because they haven't contributed much to scientific understanding in the past (although you may argue that it's a stupid position for anyone to take, and I agree, I think that it's still essential for women to make more contributions because stupid people will always exist, and women suffer daily because of men who hold such beliefs).

    As a black woman though, I'd have to prove that much more, because the racism that black people experience is immense. It may not often show itself by someone rolling down the window of their car and shouting "******!" (that's the n word if it's censored) at your face. It shows itself by the automatic bad reaction black people get at interviews. The automatic low expectations at their schools. The automatic lowering of self esteem. The number of black people I met who actually believe they're inferior to white people is shocking. I'd like that to change.
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    (Original post by Dragonfly07)
    Racism towards black people does exist in England.

    Being a young white male you obviously wouldn't notice nor care.
    What an ignorant thing to say.
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    (Original post by lucaf)
    I misphrased that, sorry. I should have said high level, not high profile. so can you find any serious high level racism cases that have been downplayed because they are against whites? because that prove media bias, rather then just showing there is little high level racism

    and you have literally provided no evidence for that being the case in any of your posts to me. not a single post. in my first post to you, I said "so because I think that discriminating based on skin colour is wrong, and that people should be judged by their own deeds and not on preconceived stereotypes of their racial group, I must just flat out hate white people?", and you have still not answered that question. now give me a straight answer, how does the belief that we should not be judged on skin colour equate to being against whites? would you say that beating up a black guy simply because he is black is wrong? yes? congratulations, you are anti-racist! that is what it means.

    people who use anti-racism as a cover for being ani-white do exist, the kind of scum who genuinely think that minorities cannot be racist because it was whites who commited atrocities in the past. and guess what? those people are racist, because they are white people for things they did not do, because someone with their skin colour did it. they are judging them on their race, and you are grouping the vast majority of people who think that racism is wrong with them. do you realise how insulting and idiotic that is? to be told that us believing in true equality mean we are traitors to our own kind?
    They are just hypothetical thugs beating up a Black guy. That is it. What more is there to say about it. Nice strawman attempt though.

    Who are you kidding. Lets be honest here anti-racism is a code word for anti-White. When you grow out of your year 13 "education" you'll realize that. Everyone White and normal knows this.
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    (Original post by Kiss)
    What an ignorant thing to say.
    That was directed at the OP, not at white males in general.
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    (Original post by Dragonfly07)
    That was directed at the OP, not at white males in general.
    Not really, it had a wider implication to all whites. Seems to imply whites don't notice or care about racism.

    And if you haven't noticed already, making assumptions without any evidence is not something to do in a thread regarding racism.
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    (Original post by Tim Wise)
    They are just hypothetical thugs beating up a Black guy. That is it. What more is there to say about it. Nice strawman attempt though.

    Who are you kidding. Lets be honest here anti-racism is a code word for anti-White. When you grow out of your year 13 "education" you'll realize that. Everyone White and normal knows this.
    I love how you are saying I am indoctrinated and deluded, and yet have still failed to answer the question I have been asking you since my first reply to you. seeing as you are obviously never going to give me an answer, and just keep repeating "anti-racism is a code word for anti-White" without giving proof or reasoning (seriously, not in a single post have you supported that), I see no point in trying to argue further. but I suppose I can fight fire with fire and just repeat "anti-racism is the belief that judging people on skin colour is wrong; no more, no less"
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    (Original post by lucaf)
    I love how you are saying I am indoctrinated and deluded, and yet have still failed to answer the question I have been asking you since my first reply to you. seeing as you are obviously never going to give me an answer, and just keep repeating "anti-racism is a code word for anti-White" without giving proof or reasoning (seriously, not in a single post have you supported that), I see no point in trying to argue further. but I suppose I can fight fire with fire and just repeat "anti-racism is the belief that judging people on skin colour is wrong; no more, no less"
    and this just so happens to be promoted heavily in EVERY White country and ONLY White countries. DUUUUUUUHHHHH

    Anti-racism is a code word for anti-White
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    (Original post by Tim Wise)
    LOL and you're typing that with a straight face aren't you? So you're telling me the current anti-White system in EVERY White country on this earth would not scream "hater bigot supremacist" if someone started up a White Rights Advocacy Group? I mean come on-Whites ARE the true minority in terms of worldwide population levels so why can't we have a White Rights Advocacy Group?

    Anti-racism is a code word for anti-White
    Black rights advocacy groups are dumb, but the idea of a white equivalent is even dumber. Sure, whites are a minority on the global scale, but why do white majority countries like the UK and the USA need "white rights advocacy groups"? The black community is campaigning because they believe the EDL pose a threat to their rights- how exactly are white rights at risk here?
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    (Original post by Tim Wise)
    and this just so happens to be promoted heavily in EVERY White country and ONLY White countries. DUUUUUUUHHHHH

    Anti-racism is a code word for anti-White
    thinking non-whites are equal to whites is a belief that is somehow against whites? :rolleyes:

    anti-racism is the belief that judging people on skin colour is wrong; no more, no less
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    (Original post by Dragonfly07)
    Racism towards black people does exist in England.

    Being a young white male you obviously wouldn't notice nor care.

    My boyfriend asked me the other day what I would like to be born as if I was given the choice.

    At first I contemplated being born a white male. Easy life, everyone automatically likes you at first sight, opportunities being thrown at you everywhere etc.

    In the end I decided I would like to be born a black woman.

    As a woman, I already feel like I have a lot to prove. I have had conversations with people who genuinely believe that women aren't as intelligent as men simply because they haven't contributed much to scientific understanding in the past (although you may argue that it's a stupid position for anyone to take, and I agree, I think that it's still essential for women to make more contributions because stupid people will always exist, and women suffer daily because of men who hold such beliefs).

    As a black woman though, I'd have to prove that much more, because the racism that black people experience is immense. It may not often show itself by someone rolling down the window of their car and shouting "******!" (that's the n word if it's censored) at your face. It shows itself by the automatic bad reaction black people get at interviews. The automatic low expectations at their schools. The automatic lowering of self esteem. The number of black people I met who actually believe they're inferior to white people is shocking. I'd like that to change.
    It's really quite galling for poor white people to have to listen to this absolute nonsense throughout their lives whilst nodding approvingly in case someone is filming.
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    (Original post by Dragonfly07)
    Racism towards black people does exist in England.

    Being a young white male you obviously wouldn't notice nor care.

    My boyfriend asked me the other day what I would like to be born as if I was given the choice.

    At first I contemplated being born a white male. Easy life, everyone automatically likes you at first sight, opportunities being thrown at you everywhere etc.

    In the end I decided I would like to be born a black woman.

    As a woman, I already feel like I have a lot to prove. I have had conversations with people who genuinely believe that women aren't as intelligent as men simply because they haven't contributed much to scientific understanding in the past (although you may argue that it's a stupid position for anyone to take, and I agree, I think that it's still essential for women to make more contributions because stupid people will always exist, and women suffer daily because of men who hold such beliefs).

    As a black woman though, I'd have to prove that much more, because the racism that black people experience is immense. It may not often show itself by someone rolling down the window of their car and shouting "******!" (that's the n word if it's censored) at your face. It shows itself by the automatic bad reaction black people get at interviews. The automatic low expectations at their schools. The automatic lowering of self esteem. The number of black people I met who actually believe they're inferior to white people is shocking. I'd like that to change.
    white people suffer far more racism, crime and violence then black people
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    (Original post by Kiss)
    And if you haven't noticed already, making assumptions without any evidence is not something to do in a thread regarding racism.
    With all due respect, the OP has made racist remarks in the past, which have then been deleted by mods
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    (Original post by de_monies)
    With all due respect, the OP has made racist remarks in the past, which have then been deleted by mods
    I know - I was highlighting the fact that you shouldn't make irrational generalisations without evidence when on the topic of racism. Dragonfly07 however made a comment which was not only slightly offensive but a wild generalisation too - it just wasn't against black people.
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    (Original post by Kiss)
    Not really, it had a wider implication to all whites. Seems to imply whites don't notice or care about racism.

    And if you haven't noticed already, making assumptions without any evidence is not something to do in a thread regarding racism.
    I explicitly corrected myself by telling you it wasn't meant to be directed at all white people, and yet you still insist.

    You may continue to wallow in the presumed hatred I have for white people and possibly celebrate your victory in this argument, in which you managed to convince me that I actually meant something other than what I just said.
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    (Original post by Dragonfly07)
    I explicitly corrected myself by telling you it wasn't meant to be directed at all white people, and yet you still insist.

    You may continue to wallow in the presumed hatred I have for white people and possibly celebrate your victory in this argument, in which you managed to convince me that I actually meant something other than what I just said.
    hoho, don't like your own medicine?

    Like your presumed persecution at being a strong black woman? Get a grip.

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