Gang member Ibrahim Giwa rapes 11 year old- this time at least not pakistani

Equally we dont know what his thinking was at the time, given he went to mosque, arried a muslim woman etc, but perhaps the idea that mohammed allowed married muslim men to have sex when away from their wives via practice of muta - allowed him in his own mind (islamically speaking) to do it.

Muta is not allowed in Islam and at the time when it was, you still needed the consent of the woman.

We said: Is it possible that one of us may contract temporary marriage with you? She said: What will you give me as a dower? Each one of us spread his cloak. She began to cast a glance on both the persons. My companion also looked at her when she was casting a glance at her side and he said: This cloak of his is worn out, whereas my cloak is quite new. She, however, said twice or thrice: There is no harm in (accepting) this cloak (the old one). So I contracted temporary marriage with her, and I did not come out (of this) until Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) declared it forbidden. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, Book 8, Number 3253)"

Rape is prohibited in Islam.
As is adultery.

So I really do not see how Islam has "caused" this man to rape, like your claiming.
If anything, not following Islamic rules has resulted in this crime.

These men most probably knew what they were doing was wrong according to Islam.
Maybe, like you speculate, he did try to manipulate Islamic rules to justify his behaviour.
Just like non-Muslims manipulate the British legal rules to justify their crime e.g. claiming the victim consented or claiming they were already in a relationship.
Does that mean we should blame the British legal system for causing rape?

People will always find a pretext, however inaccurate it is, to justify their behaviour.

Sorry your logical is failing -A jsut because something is 'prohibited' in islam doesnt mean that muslims will not do it. Do all 1 billion or so muslims follow islam 100%? Are the ones that dont not muslims anymore? dont be ridiculous.

Sorry your logical is failing -A jsut because something is 'prohibited' in islam doesnt mean that muslims will not do it. Do all 1 billion or so muslims follow islam 100%? Are the ones that dont not muslims anymore? dont be ridiculous. Rape in pretty much every modern society and religon is illegal

And you need to take more education on the subject of muta, there is plenty of record including hadith you have decided not to quote where mohammed allowed it ( for muslim men, not women) specifically when his folowers were away from their wives but still demanded sex. S mohammed in the practice of islam allowed sex outside of marriage and also sex with underage girl. You can also say that 'rape' was practiced in moahmmeds time in that muslim men were allowed in islam to keep female sex slaves too.


Muta requites only for the women to repeat some words in arabic recited to her. There was a girl on TSR who claimed to have sex with muslim men ( often married) that asked her to recite arabic - at the time she had no understanding what for, till the princimple of muta was explained here.

Islamic rules, death penalties etc dont stop muslims from committing crimes in sharia countries let alone in the UK, hence why so many muslim men in the last 6 months alone were arressted for underage sex crimes.

Ibrahim Giwa a known gang member got a minscule scentence of just 5 years for a rape of an 11 year old in a mcdonalds toilets. Other members if his gang that were involved it is said will serve less than 6 months.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2139461/Six-months-boy-raped-girl-11-sparks-outrage-16-year-old-thugs-soft-sentence-attack-McDonalds-toilet.html

With many other high profile cases of pakistani muslim gangs raping under age girls does this throw more attention to the muslim community, this time non pakistani (which originally was the focus of blame in those cases) ? And is there an undeniable link to the examples set by authoritative muslims such as the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia or the Ayatollah of Iran that both agree that juvenile girls can be slept with by much older men as allowed in the practice of islam.

Ibrahim Giwa a known gang member got a minscule scentence of just 5 years for a rape of an 11 year old in a mcdonalds toilets. Other members if his gang that were involved it is said will serve less than 6 months.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2139461/Six-months-boy-raped-girl-11-sparks-outrage-16-year-old-thugs-soft-sentence-attack-McDonalds-toilet.html

With many other high profile cases of pakistani muslim gangs raping under age girls does this throw more attention to the muslim community, this time non pakistani (which originally was the focus of blame in those cases) ? And is there an undeniable link to the examples set by authoritative muslims such as the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia or the Ayatollah of Iran that both agree that juvenile girls can be slept with by much older men as allowed in the practice of islam.

Where the hell did you hear that the Ayatollah of Iran would agree that juvenile girls can be slept by much older men ' as allowed in the practice of Islam' don't just make stuff up, if someone does that in Iran they can get sentenced to jail and can maybe even get executed! :/

And like I said repeatedly Mutah is haram


You seem to be forgetting that devout Muslims do not drink alcohol, give alcohol to others like these did. So whatever they done, they don't represent a devout Muslim which is what my original point was trying to say. The Indo-chinese guy tried saying that they commit all this because Islam endorses mutah; I refuted him on that. And I really doubt Osama was caught watching it, who gave you this info? The US, hardly a unbiased source..

So yes, many Muslims do commit sins like adultery or premarital sex, and likewise many Muslims do not. But my point was that DEVOUT Muslims wouldn't.

Where the hell did you hear that the Ayatollah of Iran would agree that juvenile girls can be slept by much older men ' as allowed in the practice of Islam' don't just make stuff up, if someone does that in Iran they can get sentenced to jail and can maybe even get executed! :/