What could the Conservative party do to ensure your vote at the next election?
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Re: What could the Conservative party do to ensure your vote at the next election?And exactly which party introduced tuition fees in the first place?(Original post by foodnom)
having to pay a ridiculous amount of money to go to university... -
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Re: What could the Conservative party do to ensure your vote at the next election?I love how Labour are the ones who understand the common man on the street, unlike the toff Eton-club Conservative boys.
Because all Labour politicians are local comp lads who've come good
That aside, I don't know what the Conservatives could do, because I haven't read their or any other parties manifestos for the 2015 election yet. I don't know what the situation in the UK will be economically, and I don't know what other parties will be doing. I voted Conservative at the last election having decided they'd be the most sensible option. But I read all the party manifestos and then place my vote based on an educated decision rather than some misplaced and unhelpful partisan alliance. -
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Re: What could the Conservative party do to ensure your vote at the next election?I am a socially liberal Tory so already vote for them but here are several things that they could do to get landslides...
1) Make Boris leader, failing that Gove or Osbourne.
2) Do not give into the rabid lunatics on the backbenchers, we need to remain relatively liberal
3) Move significantly further right on the economy, massive tax changes and cuts ect... -
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Re: What could the Conservative party do to ensure your vote at the next election?More cuts (both tax and spending), referendum on EU membership, stop introducing stupid left-wing policies like the minimum pricing of alcohol. The problem with the Conservative Party these days is they are no longer conservative.
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Re: What could the Conservative party do to ensure your vote at the next election?Margaret Thatcher sold off our nationalised industries because they were inefficient and costly for the tax payer.(Original post by Frey)
uhm... Old Labour was pretty socialist and brought in a proper welfare state, which we as 'British' take great pride in. You completely misread my above comment, it's people like Stalin who ruin something like communism, he purposely killed millions; I don't want that.
Margret Thatcher sold off our state owned things like the trains. The general conservative idea is to get money for yourself, keep it in the hands of people who have it already and get it as quick as possible by whatever means (i.e very shortsighted)
I didn't say you were rich, but rabid individualism is encouraged by right wing governments. There are plenty of rich people who are serious tax dogers, and I bet there are plenty who if they had the choice would spend a lot less.
p.s If you want to engage in political discussion I suggest you refrain from swearing at people, because it completely undermines any point you're trying to make.
Conservatives are for giving everyone the opportunity to better themselves if they work for it rather than the left wing option of putting in as much effort as you like and getting the same pay. And there are many tax dodgers in this country such as Ken Livingstone but the government doesn't encourage them to move to Switzerland or Monaco. If anything they reduced the 50p tax rate to try and keep more wealthy tax payers in the country. -
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Re: What could the Conservative party do to ensure your vote at the next election?Although I could see the public voting for Boris just because of his personality, I could not say the same about Gove or Osbourne who are uncharismatic and disliked by the public; they would be electoral liabilities.(Original post by Rakas21)
I am a socially liberal Tory so already vote for them but here are several things that they could do to get landslides...
1) Make Boris leader, failing that Gove or Osbourne.
2) Do not give into the rabid lunatics on the backbenchers, we need to remain relatively liberal
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Re: What could the Conservative party do to ensure your vote at the next election?At the moment, I wouldn't vote for the Conservatives even if someone pointed a loaded gun to my head. I don't pretend to know a lot about politics, and I don't have a particular political allegiance per sé. I just think David Cameron is an insipid leader who cannot keep his promises, uphold his party's policies or keep track of his lies. I understand that the party has done the country an awful lot of good in the past and that if they were to keep to their promises, and they would probably help us through the financial crisis we're currently in. It's just that I don't agree with their policies as a whole.
However, since we're playing devil's advocate here, here's what they would have to do to secure my vote. And I'm going to say right from the start that people are going to disagree with a lot of what I have to say. Just a warning.
1 -First of all, recover the faith in Britain's politics. A lot of people, myself included, have felt utterly betrayed by our political system over the past decade. The party, along with the government itself, needs new, fresh blood - and fast. Politics should not have a stigma attached to it where people believe that "only the rich" or graduates from Oxbridge get in. Of course, some of them do a bloody good job... but there needs to be an even spread of people from all walks of life. After all, they are representing the people of Britain.
2- Invest time and effort in recovering the mining industries that we 'lost' all those years ago. People complain about high crime rates, soaring unemployment rates and chavs who laze around on the dole. I complain about them too. Still, giving them (and us) in the mining sectors wouldn't be a bad idea, surely? I certainly wouldn't mind working in mines, because I appreciate hard work and getting paid for it. Plus, it would give a worthwhile boost to the economy.
3- Reform the education system. Education should not have a price tag attached to it. Abolish those ridiculous university fees, get rid of the private schools and make sure that all of our teachers are highly trained and qualified - why should the education of the lower, middle and upper classes be held back by how much they can 'invest' in a system? Also, the Conservatives need to live up to their name and conserve failing schools and universities by putting money into them, not by shutting them down because "they're not good enough". Give people the opportunities they deserve, and make education universal.
4- The moment an immigrant commits a crime and is found guilty by a legal, fair trial is the moment they get sent deported.
5- Put more money into the NHS, rather than attaching a price tag to it and privatizing it. If someone could explain to me why privatization of a system that saves lives up and down the country is a good idea, please do so. I genuinely have no clue how this benefits us.
6- Sort out the Mental Health system here in the U.K. Contrary to popular opinion, you don't just pop a few pills in people's mouths to make them 'better'. As someone who has worked within the system before, I can honestly say that I am appalled by the ways in which our government has treated these people, who are often left to cope on their own until it's too late. Get fully qualified, trained professionals who actually care about the job at hand in this washed-up system. Reform it so that it actually benefits these people, rather than brushing them under the carpet and pretending that they don't exist. The current system's an absolute scandal to both its patients and it's employees, and an embarrassment to Britons everywhere. The Conservatives actually have the potential to turn this one around.
7- Criminalise all mind altering drugs...but punish the dealers and the people who import them, not the casual users. Those who are out there making a profit on someone else's misery should be made to have a prison sentence equal to the misery they've caused.
8- People who abuse their rights, and have no desire to change for the better, should lose their rights. Don't abuse them, of course...but no more special units that are essentially five-star hotels in disguise. No more T.V.s. No more Playstation 3s. No more gyms and education courses that law abiding citizens would have to work for, not kill, rape or abuse for. No probation, none of those useless ASBOs, and unlimited sentence for murderers - keep them there 'till the day they die, essentially.
9 - Keep radical religious beliefs separate from a person's human right to a legal, legitimate marriage. Let people love and be loved in return without fear of being punished by the law just because they don't "abide" to traditional, age old "laws". Oh, and citizens from all kinds of backgrounds should not have to fight to choose where they want to get married.
...And all of this is exactly why I have nothing more to do with politics other than talking to my local MP and voting in elections. I'd be an absolute bloody danger to the system, and leave it in deficit.
In any case, these are what the Conservatives would have to work on to gain my trust.
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Re: What could the Conservative party do to ensure your vote at the next election?I will switch from UKIP to Conservative if they
1. Leave the EU or offer an in or out referendum.
2. Immediately halt immigration not some pathetic cut it 1% or whatever the **** they are doing now.
3. Throw all multicultural policies down the drain they crawled out of. -
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I guess it depends very much on where we stand in society.
I imagine if we were all rich and had to vote, we would likely look to vote for the Tories as they are very much about keeping the rich, rich while pushing for lower taxes for businesses.
the Tories like having classes and would never have introduced the idea of the minimum wage because it hampers privatisation which is really what the Tories want-small government and a country that manages itself in a dog eat dog business like model.
problem with that is you can't privatize everything because companies begin to develop a monopoly and charge the people crazy prices for necessities - just look at the water companies, the gas and electricity and "public transport" such as bus and trains.
that is the problem with Tory rule and they don't really care as they are rich and can afford such things.
labour went too far to the other end of the scale and bred laziness in people and too generous benefit systems. -
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Re: What could the Conservative party do to ensure your vote at the next election?Stop their social imperialism. Stop using ambiguous and innacurate explanations to cover up moral injustice. Get better speech writers. Listen for once. Stop being advocates of oppression. Stop the maintainance of the proletariat-bourgeois social dynamic.
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Re: What could the Conservative party do to ensure your vote at the next election?Too many cuts? Go to Greece and find out how much are too many cuts....(Original post by foodnom)
got nothing to do with the fact that he's made too many cuts and hasn't subsidised anything?
basic economics....idiot
Our Economy is too reliant on the state, we need to change it. And if that is ideology then so be it.Last edited by meenu89; 06-05-2012 at 15:07. -
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Re: What could the Conservative party do to ensure your vote at the next election?I agree with you, but why did you not say that to the first poster who said practically the same thing, except with their support of the Tories?(Original post by patrickinator)
I would say fair enough, because Cameron is a complete light weight and they have completely screwed up the coalition but really never?
What if they change and an amazing politician comes along that could transform the country? I hope you are not one of those Labour supporters who will never vote tory because they '****ing hate the tory bastards' - no sense... -
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Re: What could the Conservative party do to ensure your vote at the next election?since when did i say i favoured Labour?(Original post by im so academic)
And exactly which party introduced tuition fees in the first place?
and £3,000 is a bit different from £9,000.... -
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Re: What could the Conservative party do to ensure your vote at the next election?Moron. I voted Tory in the last election because I believed they'd do the best for our nation.(Original post by Formerly Helpful_C)
They already have it. And the one after that. And the one after that. And so on.
24 months later, the economy is still in tatters, the beginning of the end has begun for the NHS and Labour is starting to become popular again...cannot believe how wrong I got it. -
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Re: What could the Conservative party do to ensure your vote at the next election?Well, I'm a supporter of the Green Party.
How would Conservatives ensure my vote?
Well, as I said I support the Green Party they wouldn't. One reason for this is because Cameron did go back on many of his promises which he made in the Coalition agreement. This is probably my biggest turn off.
But things they could do are;
1)Lower tuition fees. (I would be willing to pay (6,000 at the most.)
2)Tackle Youth Unemployment.
3)NHS, put money into it.
4)Education; Why should people in private school have a better education. Don't you wonder why poor people are poor, they can't afford a good education or to go to university because they don't have the right push for it. Parents say that it's "useless" and so on.
5)Policies which help the Environment.
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Re: What could the Conservative party do to ensure your vote at the next election?I really wish people would stop saying that. Throwing money at the NHS will not make it better, it needs to be rebuilt from the foundations upwards for it to work.(Original post by HarryPotterFanx)
3)NHS, put money into it. -
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Re: What could the Conservative party do to ensure your vote at the next election?Hmm,
Assuming the next GE is in May 2015 I'll be 20 and just finishing my penultimate year of university. I think that graduate jobs will be the key issue for me by then.
Although I'm leaning towards leaving the country after uni, so I'd be looking for a party that is soft on immigration first and foremost.
