[facdroit]

edit: taught , wrote too fast , don't bother etc.

How in the hell is creationism taught in school?
In Biology classes of all things.
How is this logical?

[G8D]

I don't think it is.

[justmyopinions]

Like, we got taught it in primary school, as we were young and obviously needed to know the basics of both theories. But in secondary schools it should be confined to R.E.

[Gofre]

Creationism (or its illegitimate child ID) isn't taught at any level of education as a valid scientific principle, and earlier this year the government made changes to block funding to private schools that attempted to portray it as such. I found it being mentioned in a historical context in GCSE biology revision guides from last year though, and the Genesis account obviously plays into most RE lessons at some point. In short, creationism has precisely the role it should have in our schools.

[Guybrush Sheepgood]

Faith schools teach creationism in their religious classes and because they are forced by the government to teach science, they use pathetic arguments like 'god put fossils there to test our faith and although all the evidence for evolution is there and observable, it didn't actually happen'.

Ordinary state schools do not teach 'creationism as truth' they just teach religious studies to show what some groups believe. Whereas faith schools try and shove creationism and all the ridiculous arguments like the one I just mentioned down your throat.

[Pinkhead]

Surely if people use the 'both sides of the story' argument - which is silly anyway - all the other ridiculous hypotheses should be taught as well? Why is it only confined to Christian creationism?
I'm all for teaching these in a R.E lesson, so that students can learn about what others believe, but to teach it as if it's a viable theory? It's absurd.

[QuantumOverlord]

(Original post by justmyopinions)
Like, we got taught it in primary school, as we were young and obviously needed to know the basics of both theories. But in secondary schools it should be confined to R.E.

Could you justify teaching incorrect mathematics to primary school children. IMO its far worse teaching creation to small kids. I went around for 2 years thinking that languages were as a result of some people building a tower in heaven or some rubbish like that. Its nonsense, we should not teach nonsense to small children.

[QuantumOverlord]

(Original post by Pinkhead)
Surely if people use the 'both sides of the story' argument - which is silly anyway - all the other ridiculous hypotheses should be taught as well? Why is it only confined to Christian creationism?
I'm all for teaching these in a R.E lesson, so that students can learn about what others believe, but to teach it as if it's a viable theory? It's absurd.

Im happy for creationism to be taught in RE, only when atheism, logic, rational thinking, skeptism and arguments against god are also taught.

[SEHughes]

(Original post by facdroit)
edit: taught , wrote too fast , don't bother etc.

How in the hell is creationism taught in school?
In Biology classes of all things.
How is this logical?

Because the religious folk have an agenda.

[CJKay]

I only got taught creationism in primary school, and by the end of that I'd already decided that I didn't want to condemn myself to a life of stupidity anyway.

[justmyopinions]

(Original post by QuantumOverlord)
Could you justify teaching incorrect mathematics to primary school children. IMO its far worse teaching creation to small kids. I went around for 2 years thinking that languages were as a result of some people building a tower in heaven or some rubbish like that. Its nonsense, we should not teach nonsense to small children.

Part of our RE classes, which were just watching animated videos really. I didn't believe it, but still found it fun as I just viewed it as make-believe. Just because it's taught doesn't mean kids will believe it.

[Alpharius]

I went to a faith school, only one RS teacher tried to force Creationism onto people in the classroom. The rest were alright.

I wouldn't say my education in science was particularly great, but they never taught Creationism in the science classes. The closest I got to that was when someone asked a science teacher (who was religious) about evolution and conflict with religion. The response was; "What you believe is up to you."

Didn't occur to me to reply; "But what you believe doesn't matter if all the evidence is against it."

[aljolson]

(Original post by Guybrush Sheepgood)
Faith schools teach creationism in their religious classes and because they are forced by the government to teach science, they use pathetic arguments like 'god put fossils there to test our faith and although all the evidence for evolution is there and observable, it didn't actually happen'.

Ordinary state schools do not teach 'creationism as truth' they just teach religious studies to show what some groups believe. Whereas faith schools try and shove creationism and all the ridiculous arguments like the one I just mentioned down your throat.

I'm glad you cleared up the original question in your first part. I do believe that faith schools take subsidies from the education budget, if this is true, and your second part is true, surely this is wrong, should'nt subsidies be withdrawn from faith schools?

[aljolson]

(Original post by QuantumOverlord)
Im happy for creationism to be taught in RE, only when atheism, logic, rational thinking, skeptism and arguments against god are also taught.

Totally correct, I had never thought of this before, atheists have a really bad deal here.

[Guybrush Sheepgood]

(Original post by aljolson)
I'm glad you cleared up the original question in your first part. I do believe that faith schools take subsidies from the education budget, if this is true, and your second part is true, surely this is wrong, should'nt subsidies be withdrawn from faith schools?

I'm not sure whether the government pays for the religious education. I don't think it does. At the state/faith school I went to, parents paid £1000 a year or something for the religious aspect. The rest of the school was paid for by the government and by private donations.

Should state funded (except for the religious aspect) faith schools exist? Well, on a moral ground, I would say no. However, the reason they do exist is that they do get much better exam results on average than non faith state schools.

[QuantumOverlord]

I really don't see why Religion should be taught in school at all with the exception from a historical viewpoint, i.e learning facts about what people did/do, what problems has it caused/resolved, e.t.c.

Nonsense like the cosmological argument, the watchmaker argument, or even worse evolution denial (or 'its just a theory', or 'creationism offers a viable alternative) should not be taught.

If you disagree with the above, then you are basically saying we do not need to filter the right from the wrong, and children are entitled to be taught wrong stuff as well as correct stuff.

[acw151]

I just think that if you are gonna teach creation, then you have to give equal time teaching every other religious perspective on how the world was created. You can't give JUST the evangelical Christian perspective if you are gonna teach different ideas on the origins of life.

But of course, a creationist would probably never see it like that.