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Is the BNP a spent political party?

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Original post by chefdave
The BNP aren't racist though so I'm not sure why they'd attract the racist vote. Here's their immigration policy:

-Deport all the two million plus who are here illegally;
- Deport all those who commit crimes and whose original nationality was not British;
- Review all recent grants of residence or citizenship to ensure they are still appropriate;
- Offer generous grants to those of foreign descent resident here who wish to leave permanently;
- Stop all new immigration except for exceptional cases;
- Reject all asylum seekers who passed safe countries on their way to Britain

These seem like very reasonable manifesto pledges to me. Which of these policies is it that'll turn us into the next Nazi Germany?


Even if you say that they plan to act on those policies, instead of going on about things like "freedom, identity" etc... which they said they would after the meeting with the ex KKK member ie: their policies are just a front

How the hell do you deport 2 million illegal workers when you have no clue where they are? The whole point of them being illegal immigrants is that they don't wish to pop up and say "Hey, Im here" because as soon as they say that, they WILL get deported...
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Original post by Pyramidologist
This is why your typical UKIP candidate promotes this: http://www.indhome.com/londonmayor/?attachment_id=499


What is wrong with this picture.
Original post by chefdave
Hmmmm. So I suppose I've been imagining all those offensive things you've been saying about white working class Brits? How there's no way to prove they're indigenous to these islands and they're not under threat anyway so their collective political needs can safely be ignored. Perhaps not.


Nice twisting of words into white victimisation, similar to what the BNP do, but sadly not holding water.

I never said there's "no way to prove" how they are "indigenous". I asked how we would prove it. I also argued that there is in fact no such thing as in indigenous Brit in the first place. If this is the case, then it would be impossible to prove that a Brit was indigenous, because there is no such thing.

I have said that they are under no threat, so you're correct in that one.

I never said their "political needs can be ignored". I stated quite clearly that I thought they should have equal rights to everyone else. That was only a couple of posts back.

For right wing rhetoric and logic, I guess at least one out of three ain't bad.

Sadly, your argument seems to be degenerating into twisting people's words into seeming like they're contradicting themselves, and using emotive rhetoric to claim the white person as a "victim" (I don't think anyone apart from the BNP are really buying this?) rather than actually logically debating the issue at hand. Why not get back to that instead?
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Original post by de_monies
Even if you say that they plan to act on those policies, instead of going on about things like "freedom, identity" etc... which they said they would after the meeting with the ex KKK member ie: their policies are just a front

How the hell do you deport 2 million illegal workers when you have no clue where they are? The whole point of them being illegal immigrants is that they don't wish to pop up and say "Hey, Im here" because as soon as they say that, they WILL get deported...


Lol, well you can't guarantee that all illegal immigrants will be deported. But I suspect the plan is to halt all new immigration and invest more in the UK Border Agency so they have the resources available to sort out New Labour's immigration disaster. Just to rub salt in the wounds I'd advocate closing the Equalities and Human Rights Commission and cutting foreign aid to £0 and using the savings to fund the crackdown.
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Original post by chefdave
Lol, well you can't guarantee that all illegal immigrants will be deported. But I suspect the plan is to halt all new immigration

What do you think the current gov't is doing? All new immigration has been halted, except for EU migrants. It's easier now to get in to Australia than the UK. Check it out yourself on the UK home office site if you want. You have to have had an education here, speak fluent English, be a highly skilled worker ie: health workers etc... before you can even come to the UK

Original post by chefdave

and invest more in the UK Border Agency so they have the resources available to sort out New Labour's immigration disaster.

How would throwing money solve the issue? All you have to do is use the current system, without throwing more money at it.

Original post by chefdave
Just to rub salt in the wounds I'd advocate closing the Equalities and Human Rights Commission


Would that be so that the "working class" man would be preferred over a "middle class" woman for the same job? Or a Black person? Or an Asian? Or a Jew? Or a Muslim etc... even if the other person is better for the job

Original post by chefdave
and cutting foreign aid to £0 and using the savings to fund the crackdown.


This is the only thing I agree with, but on different grounds. Presumably, the BNP would want to stop aid because the countries they're giving "aid" to are mainly Brown people, and it's also a cost saving measure in the BNP's eyes whereas I see "aid" as a means of pushing your interests on other nations ie: making you money in the long run, and using aid as a form of soft power, whilst keeping nations poor. There are people that will want aid to be sent on humanitarian grounds, but I don't want aid on the same grounds

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Original post by Carecup
What is wrong with this picture.


I'm guessing Pyramidologist doesn't like the fact that he's Black. I find the extreme right wing quite ironic. On the one hand, they'll say that the Muslims, Black people etc.. aren't engaging in our democracy, but when they do, it's "They're extremists, or anti White" etc.... This is evident in Tommy Robinson's tweets. Make your bloody mind up
Reply 106
Well I had no idea their actual administration was pathetic,the BNP itself may be nearing the end of it's days.

But that, frankly racist, ideology they carry won't go... another party will soon come to replace them.

And funnily enough, I'm not white but I can see why.

Britain is TOO politically correct, I've heard people come up with rubbish like trying to stop people from flying their St George's flags or changing Christmas' name to something else so as not to "offend" people. Also we're amazingly fast at pulling the "Racism" card when in reality we've got a lot of discrimination embedded in our own cultures. (not naming any one in particular)

I'm not going to go and study in the UK and tell the people there to change to suit me. I'd be pretty F-ed off if someone came to my country and did that, so no wonder such a large number of English people are pissed off, So much so that they can't see foreigners do bring a lot of benefits along with them.

It's an interesting issue this... let me know what you guys think.
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Original post by Dux_Helvetica
Yes, I'm a scary conservative with a hidden agenda :rolleyes:

But seriously, why the contempt? I never claimed to speak on anybody's behalf, I'm just analysing things as I see them.

The irony is, you're holding the views of native British people up on a pedestal above all others and attempting to silence your opposition without providing an adequate response. The BNP would be proud.


You're not scary and I don't think you're hiding your agenda very well if that is your intention.

You should read your own posts - you were the one trying to speak on behalf of 'native' working-class people as if they were some kind of collective whose views ran parallel to those of the BNP.
Original post by Oswy
You're not scary and I don't think you're hiding your agenda very well if that is your intention.

You should read your own posts - you were the one trying to speak on behalf of 'native' working-class people as if they were some kind of collective whose views ran parallel to those of the BNP.


If you can't face the fact that the BNP is/was an outlet of frustration for a segment of the working-class population then that's your own problem.
Original post by de_monies
What do you think the current gov't is doing? All new immigration has been halted, except for EU migrants. It's easier now to get in to Australia than the UK.


No it hasn't. We still have a quota of non EU immigrants allowed per year it hasn't completely stopped, net migration to this country continuely tops 250k, 56% came from outside the EU in 2011.

I'm a big fan of immigration and don't like it when the left constantly cave into the right by playing down the statistics to make them feel better. We have an increasing diverse country which will only get drastically more diverse this century. We should be proud of our net migration figure of 250k, it shows how attractive this country is for migrants and we should be pleased with this.

Hopefully the tories will fail with immigration, Labour will return within an election or two and pull down the drawbridge and maintain this net migration figure which IMO is healthy in order for us to become a diverse nation.
Its less of a political party, more of a horde of weak minded idiots
Original post by Pyramidologist
Multiculturalism and multiracialism doesn't work, its a failed social experiment.


Just because it's a "failed experiment" doesn't mean it doesn't work.
It doesn't work because it's being done wrong, not because it's a flawed principle.

It's only mass immigration that causes issues, not immigration or multiculturalism per se.

You ought not to be so black and white about things, no pun intended.
Original post by Pyramidologist
All it has led to is violence and conflict.


Well that's not true, and I think you well know it. Black and white again. "All" it's led too? Perfectly legal immigrants help the economy and enrich the culture, always have done in this country.
Original post by frankieboy
Just because it's a "failed experiment" doesn't mean it doesn't work.
It doesn't work because it's being done wrong, not because it's a flawed principle.

It's only mass immigration that causes issues, not immigration or multiculturalism per se.

You ought not to be so black and white about things, no pun intended.


It doesn't work because its not natural. Races and ethnic groups evolved in development entirely seperate, so trying to mix them is against the norm. Just take a look at any prison. Why are the inmates always segregated based on their race or ethnicity? Because its natural tribal instinct. Those that mix in prison don't last long. Outside prison in the real world, we observe something called ''white flight''. As immigrants mostly from the 3rd world pour into the main cities, the indigenous peoples or what the goverment classifies as ''White British'' leave, this also occurs across Europe.
Original post by sivaji
Well I had no idea their actual administration was pathetic,the BNP itself may be nearing the end of it's days.

But that, frankly racist, ideology they carry won't go... another party will soon come to replace them.

And funnily enough, I'm not white but I can see why.

Britain is TOO politically correct, I've heard people come up with rubbish like trying to stop people from flying their St George's flags or changing Christmas' name to something else so as not to "offend" people. Also we're amazingly fast at pulling the "Racism" card when in reality we've got a lot of discrimination embedded in our own cultures. (not naming any one in particular)

I'm not going to go and study in the UK and tell the people there to change to suit me. I'd be pretty F-ed off if someone came to my country and did that, so no wonder such a large number of English people are pissed off, So much so that they can't see foreigners do bring a lot of benefits along with them.

It's an interesting issue this... let me know what you guys think.


The British National Party isn't ''racist''. The problem is that too many people just believe the smears or lies in the media instead of actually reading BNP policies. There is absolutely nothing ''racist'' about them.
I'm probably going to get crucified for this but I should preface my statements by saying that I don't support the BNP and am not particularly right wing, I am politically ignorant and proud :biggrin:

But what I do think is that, in a way, they have a point with SOME of their ideas.
"White pride" is so synonymous with "White power" now that anyone who says that they are proud to be white is branded racist without further discussion.

The usual retort is a variation of "You should be proud of what you do, not what you are."
I couldn't agree more!
However I'm confused when I see organizations for Black, Asian, etc men and women that promote the opposite idea!
Separate schools for Black children exist, "to preserve culture". That's fine in some ways, of course other cultures should be highly valued and respected, however.
Consider that this may inadvertently teach segregation among children, and reinforce the differences between races, which isn't what we want. We want integration don't we? The issue isn't really even race! Faith schools are equally culpable. By establishing different factions among children, you're creating a social chasm that is pervasive through their entire lives.
I recall seeing a video where a woman states that there is a Black Police Association, however if one asked for a White Police Association that would be considered "racist". This shouldn't be the case.
There needs to be a distinction between White supremacists and those who simply want the recognition that every other race gets. I'm not going to get into the "indigenous" debate, as a Biology student I'm not so naive as to believe that whites own Britain and bla bla bla. It's tiresome. It's not an issue of dominance. It's an issue of equality, which is of course what this is all about. Either every race gets recognition, or none do. But we CANNOT have this double standard which is, to be frank, slanted against whites. Racism is a very real issue for every race. If we want integration, if we want peace, let's stop with the separation, or at least, feel free to have the same pride in our race and culture (British culture) that everybody else has. Is that so unfair? Is that a racist request?

Thanks for reading :smile:

Peace.
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Original post by Pyramidologist
Multiculturalism and multiracialism doesn't work, its a failed social experiment.
What is multiculturalism?

Original post by Pyramidologist
It doesn't work because its not natural. Races and ethnic groups evolved in development entirely seperate, so trying to mix them is against the norm. Just take a look at any prison. Why are the inmates always segregated based on their race or ethnicity? Because its natural tribal instinct. Those that mix in prison don't last long.
Is there any evidence to suggest what you said is true outside of stereotypes about American prisons? To suggest there is no ethnic mixing in "any prison" is laughable. :dunce:

People cohere to those who are most similar to their idiosyncratic psychological profile. Some people may consider persons of different ethnicities incompatible, irrespective of their psychological similarities; others may consider supporting the BNP incompatible, irrespective of their other psychological similarities. You seem to believe there is intranational cultural homogeneity and everyone can get along with everyone else for this reason, when that is manifestly false.

Outside prison in the real world, we observe something called ''white flight''. As immigrants mostly from the 3rd world pour into the main cities, the indigenous peoples or what the goverment classifies as ''White British'' leave, this also occurs across Europe.
"White flight"; i.e., a shift of the most socioeconomically enabled persons to a wealthier area when their existing area begins to shift to a state of deprivation. When the term "white flight" was invented, only 'white' people were socioeconomically enabled, so typical racialist America attributed it to their skin tone category. The 'white' people who were not socioeconomically enabled couldn't move, so they remained in the area. There is an equivalent phenomenon known as 'black flight', which evinces the fundamental socioeconomic driver of intranational migration. Nobody will voluntarily remain in an area with high crime and/or poor prospects.
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