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Francois Hollande elected as new French president

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    (Original post by Felchingman)
    First, it is 80%, and second, in France a turnout below 75% is deemed dissapointing. What's the usual turnout in the UK? (feeling lazy and don't want to search on google)
    60-65%, I think.
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    Oh damn...The UK is going to have another country to bail out soon.

    Socialist policies in the current Euro crisis equals disaster.
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    (Original post by alex5455)
    scandanavia is doing fine and they are nicely left

    someone said something silly without thinking
    Much harder to do with a bigger in terms of both size and economy power, and one of the biggest and strongest nations in the EU.

    We'd all like to be like Scandanavia , but not sure it's really possible for countries such as UK, France, Germany etc. If that happened the whole of the eu would be pretty much screwed.
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    (Original post by MagicNMedicine)
    Yes but what is going to happen if France's economy grows, like Germany's and the USA, and the UK's economy continues to flatline....will Osborne try and continue with his line "our poor growth just underlines how important it is that we are not diverted from our current strategy!"
    Then I will take it all back! But I don't think that's going to happen...

    PS. Germany advocates austerity.
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    (Original post by justmyopinions)
    http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/fe...roma-f24.shtml

    He has also appealed to the valuable extreme far right voters, on issues such as North Africans. If this is his plans for Roma then plans for others can't be much better.
    Your Roma "camp", from what I understand he was referring to place where they can park (you know they are Gispy right?) hence why he is saying they won't go where they should not (yes because no one really like when they settle in front of the super-market and it is not really healthy for them either), there is already such "camp" and it is not terrible it is a place with running water and electricity.

    For the stuff about Muslim in the article (the veil stuff), well surprisingly socialist and communist are not big fan of religion, that should not come as a surprise, does it? If you want to vote against this kind of politics you can vote liberals, but it is far to be a popular movement in France...
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    (Original post by LysFromParis)
    Your Roma "camp", from what I understand he was referring to place where they can park (you know they are Gispy right?) hence why he is saying they won't go where they should not (yes because no one really like when they settle in front of the super-market and it is not really healthy for them either), there is already such "camp" and it is not terrible it is a place with running water and electricity.

    For the stuff about Muslim in the article (the veil stuff), well surprisingly socialist and communist are not big fan of religion, that should not come as a surprise, does it? If you want to vote against this kind of politics you can vote liberals, but it is far to be a popular movement in France...
    The majority of Romani in Europe actually don't travel but settle in permanent communities in certain neighbourhoods.
    And yeah I'm against immigration but the Romani people have been in Europe for thousands of years.
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    (Original post by Liam6993)
    60-65%, I think.
    When he had such a turnout in 2002 in France a certain far-right candidate was at the second run.

    That's quite low.
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    (Original post by justmyopinions)
    The majority of Romani in Europe actually don't travel but settle in permanent communities in certain neighbourhoods.
    And yeah I'm against immigration but the Romani people have been in Europe for thousands of years.
    As far as I know the only Romani which have ever been targeted where the "Gispy" kind. Sarkozy government have the policy we know about, while as far as I am aware the socialist only wanted to provide them with place to live decently. I have nothing against Romani and I wish them to live happily, but the article quoted is full of BS and clearly do not describe the socialist policies on the matter.
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    well this is bloody great news if you ask me, all the big business and highly paid individuals will now be fleeing france like it was the Belgrano and hopefully come here
    plus i remember hearing somewhere this has delighted the footballing world as all the good french players will hopefully be going off on the cheap here, thank you Premier Stalin .. oops i mean Hollande :rolleyes:
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    I think whatever way you look at it, his election will be fascinating. With the rest of Europe taking austerity measures, it will be interesting to see if spending and high taxes really can improve things. I imagine if it is successful other countries will follow.
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    (Original post by cl_steele)
    well this is bloody great news if you ask me, all the big business and highly paid individuals will now be fleeing france like it was the Belgrano and hopefully come here
    plus i remember hearing somewhere this has delighted the footballing world as all the good french players will hopefully be going off on the cheap here, thank you Premier Stalin .. oops i mean Hollande :rolleyes:
    Why would they go to the UK... Switzerland ftw.
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    Wonderful news for both Switzerland and UK

    Most of the wealthier frog-leg eaters had long since moved their money to Switzerland earlier this year, most never kept it in France anyway.

    Now UK will see big investments in industry and quite possibly this might exactly be what brings it out of a recession.

    Bad news for France... can't wait for May 16 when it will get a major punishment when it has its first attempt at begging for credit
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    (Original post by ForKicks)
    I think whatever way you look at it, his election will be fascinating. With the rest of Europe taking austerity measures, it will be interesting to see if spending and high taxes really can improve things. I imagine if it is successful other countries will follow.
    He will have no choice but to implement austerity measures, or else it will be the markets that would send him down the same way like it told that frog Mitterand where the door was
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    (Original post by Zalachenko)
    Why would they go to the UK... Switzerland ftw.
    because theres not really that much in switzerland tbh :P
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    Meanwhile, in Berlin...

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    (Original post by apolocreed)
    '‎2012, Hollande président, la fin du monde, les mayas avaient raisons.'

    Possibly the best anti-hollande status I've seen on facebook
    That's creepy. I saw the exact same one...
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    (Original post by cl_steele)
    because theres not really that much in switzerland tbh :P
    15% tax income tax, Alps in the winter, lakes in the summer. What else could anybody want?
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    In ('modern') Britain the most sustained period of growth we've had was in the immediate post-war period where there was a high level of state intervention (eg. Establishment of the NHS) and very high taxes on the rich. Which is pretty much the bottom line on Hollande's policy.

    Something's got to happen, and right now considering how badly 'austerity' is fairing across the world, investment and economic stimulus seems a reasonable idea, even if in the short term it worsens the problems.
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    (Original post by Lorem Ipsum)
    In ('modern') Britain the most sustained period of growth we've had was in the immediate post-war period where there was a high level of state intervention (eg. Establishment of the NHS) and very high taxes on the rich. Which is pretty much the bottom line on Hollande's policy.

    Something's got to happen, and right now considering how badly 'austerity' is fairing across the world, investment and economic stimulus seems a reasonable idea, even if in the short term it worsens the problems.
    This is correct and also note that neither Britain nor France's current debt levels are at historically high levels, despite the hype of various right-wing forces like the hedge funds, city traders and their friends in the bond markets, manipulated ratings agencies and fellow-travelling right-wing media. The reality is that the huge drive of the last 30 years to steal wealth from the overwhelming majority and funnel it to a small clique of market-manipulators (1% of the 1%) is being uncovered and the public are voting against it.

    The same will happen here at the next election.

    France now needs to pressurise Germany to start relaxing government spending and allow the ECB to issue Eurobonds, both long overdue.

    German austerity is utterly ridiculous and the main depressor of the European economy.

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