[KJane]

(Original post by Steevee)
No m'dear, I understand it's creole, I don't think it has a place in the English classroom is all. English is English, not some bastardisation of it by someone who could not speak it.

It's written like that to make a point, it's written like how the accent would appear if it was written down. Ever read Irvine Welsh's Trainspotting? Exact same thing. By using the accent it drives home the cultural isolation experienced by the speaker for being 'half caste.' It's not a bastardisation of English, but more phonetic spelling to show an accent. And the poem forms part of a collection of different cultures taught at GSCE level.

Here is the poet actually performing it, he speaks English almost perfectly, hardly a bastardisation. If English was English and only such should be taught in classrooms, I'm sure you think Shakespeare and his contemporaries shouldn't be taught, since our current version of English is so different from that period. Or even up until over a century ago. English changes, to limit our self to 'English' is a silly notion and then how do you even define 'English.'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/learningzone/cl...ste/10299.html

[Cannotbelieveit]

(Original post by rugbyladosc)
To be honest UKIP are just as bigoted

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/04/27...raight-people/



Party manifestos and spokesmen may not explicitly state racist views or intentions but racists and bigots are generally attracted to fringe parties. Yes the EDL are racist, but so are people in UKIP,and you seem proud to support the party. So get off your high horse.

Even the Conservative Party has semi-racist homophobic Councillors within it, you can't judge a party just because one Councillor says something stupid.

The EDL on the otherhand, the majority of people within it are racist.

[de_monies]

(Original post by Steevee)
You can tell me the other half, but do please learn proper English.

It's meant to be read with a Jamaican accent....

[de_monies]

(Original post by Tahooper)
What's wrong with somebody saying half-caste

OK then. What caste are you?

(Original post by walterwhite123)
What's wrong with half caste?

Same applies to you

[de_monies]

(Original post by Cheese_Monster)
Did I read that right?

Punctuation saves lives

[rugbyladosc]

(Original post by Cannotbelieveit)
Even the Conservative Party has semi-racist homophobic Councillors within it, you can't judge a party just because one Councillor says something stupid.

The EDL on the otherhand, the majority of people within it are racist.

Yeah that's my point... Racist politicians and members in party does not = racist party. But UKIP certainly has racist bigoted members in abundance. Yes Farage is fun to watch parring in Europe, but at a grass-root and party list level UKIP is full of bigots and racists, whom i would not spend any time in the same room with, let alone elect to a representative position..

[travoot]

(Original post by omgg)
LOOOOL!! thats a famous poem that we had to learn for english last year! you're so uneducated!

Corrected to point out irony.

[subspace5000]

Yes it is.

/thread

[jcrusader]

(Original post by TheHansa)
Yet they beat up Asian kids and give Nazi salutes.



I've just seen Kyle, he's over there

Nope not a nazi salute, its called the red hand of ulster salute. I see them all the time at Rangers matches and Orange Order parades. Not racist in the least.

It always amuses me when the the left wing BBC cherry pick the people they interview.

[TheHansa]

(Original post by jcrusader)
Nope not a nazi salute, its called the red hand of ulster salute. I see them all the time at Rangers matches and Orange Order parades. Not racist in the least.

It always amuses me when the the left wing BBC cherry pick the people they interview.

Why would you give a sectarian protestant salute to Muslims, they're not Catholic?

[jcrusader]

(Original post by TheHansa)
Why would you give a sectarian protestant salute to Muslims, they're not Catholic?

Many loyalists from all over the UK come to EDL ralleys. They are merely showing their support for the Union.

P.S Its not racist. Its done as a sign of support for the Unionist population of NI. And i would like to add that according to the latest polls, the majority of Catholics support the Union.

[henrysaunders1]

(Original post by TheHansa)
Yet they beat up Asian kids and give Nazi salutes.



I've just seen Kyle, he's over there

And salute with the wrong arm...

[TheHansa]

(Original post by jcrusader)
Many loyalists from all over the UK come to EDL ralleys. They are merely showing their support for the Union.

P.S Its not racist. Its done as a sign of support for the Unionist population of NI. And i would like to add that according to the latest polls, the majority of Catholics support the Union.

Being a loyalist is far enough, but why would they need to show it in that way, when protesting against Islam?

[jcrusader]

(Original post by TheHansa)
Being a loyalist is far enough, but why would they need to show it in that way, when protesting against Islam?

The EDL support Israel. The problems there are a mirror image of the ones in Ulster.

[TheHansa]

(Original post by jcrusader)
The EDL support Israel. The problems there are a mirror image of the ones in Ulster.

They support Israel because they hate Muslims, If the Palestinians were Jewish and the Israelis Muslims they would have the Palestinian flag at their demos.

[Profesh]

(Original post by Zeffy)
I [...] am a well-educated, enlightened individual [...] with the intellect to realise that any major groups have a handful of bad eggs.

Typical Muslim cowards

Well-educated?

what will it take for the lib-tards to finally open their eyes and say "hey, you know what, there is a problem with dirty pakis raping underaged girls."

Enlightened?

Now, we all know that "asian" actually means Muslim.

Intellect?

how did I know even before clicking that Muslims would be involved?

You're a crypto-racist demagogue, a hypocrite, and a cretin of the first order. Go to bed.

[Tabris]

The thing about the EDL is, though it may not be officially racist in that their agenda is anti extremist Islam, Sharia law and the Islamification of Britain. And maybe anything else that may be a threat to England in the future, but extremist Islam is their main focus, I believe.

However, there are quite a fair number of racists who are not entirely aware of this join and use it as an excuse to be racist and it is those types of EDL members that most others will recognise, giving the EDL an association as a racist group.

So, while I think it's unfair to call the EDL an outright racist group, it can't be denied that there is probably a good number of racists who are attracted to joining the organisation under incorrect beliefs.

[jcrusader]

(Original post by TheHansa)
They support Israel because they hate Muslims, If the Palestinians were Jewish and the Israelis Muslims they would have the Palestinian flag at their demos.

Most likely yes. But unless we conduct a massive poll, with each EDL member attatched to a lie detector we will never know the true demographics.

But would it not also be fair to say that Israel is under siege by, primarily militant Islam.

[PeterOkenla11]

(Original post by KJane)
It's written like that to make a point, it's written like how the accent would appear if it was written down. Ever read Irvine Welsh's Trainspotting? Exact same thing. By using the accent it drives home the cultural isolation experienced by the speaker for being 'half caste.' It's not a bastardisation of English, but more phonetic spelling to show an accent. And the poem forms part of a collection of different cultures taught at GSCE level.

Here is the poet actually performing it, he speaks English almost perfectly, hardly a bastardisation. If English was English and only such should be taught in classrooms, I'm sure you think Shakespeare and his contemporaries shouldn't be taught, since our current version of English is so different from that period. Or even up until over a century ago. English changes, to limit our self to 'English' is a silly notion and then how do you even define 'English.'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/learningzone/cl...ste/10299.html

Well said.

[HelloAndromeda]

(Original post by walterwhite123)
Just because someone somewhere decides a term is wrong doesn't mean we all stop instantly using it. I grew up with a half-caste brother, he is still half-caste, no matter what anyone says.

If your brother decides he wants to identify as half caste then more power to him! Have you actually asked him what he thinks? If he doesn't mind then carry on - who am I to question his opinion? If the only reason you think he is half caste is because you say so then you might want to examine that.

I'm just highlighting the fact that the majority of people sees it as a pejorative term so it wouldn't be something you should go round saying to people you don't really know purely out of respect or courtesy.