[F Ellen]

(Original post by tu_es_jolie_x)
Excuse me
standing on one leg
I’m half-caste.

Explain yuself
wha yu mean
when yu say half-caste
yu mean when Picasso
mix red an green
is a half-caste canvas?
explain yuself
wha yu mean
when yu say half-caste
yu mean when light an shadow
mix in de sky
is a half-caste weather?
well in dat case
england weather
nearly always half-caste
in fact some o dem cloud
half-caste till dem overcast
so spiteful dem don’t want de sun pass
ah rass?
explain yuself
wha yu mean
when yu say half-caste
yu mean tchaikovsky
sit down at dah piano
an mix a black key
wid a white key
is a half-caste symphony?

Explain yuself
wha yu mean
Ah listening to yu wid de keen
half of mih ear
Ah looking at yu wid de keen
half of mih eye
an when I’m introduced to yu
I’m sure you’ll understand
why I offer yu half-a-hand
an when I sleep at night
I close half-a-eye
consequently when I dream
I dream half-a-dream
an when moon begin to glow
I half-caste human being
cast half-a-shadow
but yu must come back tomorrow
wid de whole of yu eye
an de whole of yu ear
an de whole of yu mind.

an I will tell yu
de other half
of my story.

Ahhh that takes me back to GCSE English. Thanks for that

[Snagprophet]

The EDL is a name thrown around. It's stupid to call it racist as many different people and groups use the name and in no official sense.

[Tahooper]

(Original post by de_monies)
OK then. What caste are you?

You do realise the modern use of half-caste does not mean anything like "half-pure". It's like saying homophobics are actually scared of gays, which we know isn't true, they just hate them.

[de_monies]

(Original post by Tahooper)
You do realise the modern use of half-caste does not mean anything like "half-pure"

Yes however it was mixed race people afaik who put up that argument first, hence we no longer call mixed raced people "half caste"

Though feel free to prove me wrong. That's as far as I (think I) know

[Steevee]

(Original post by KJane)
It's written like that to make a point, it's written like how the accent would appear if it was written down. Ever read Irvine Welsh's Trainspotting? Exact same thing. By using the accent it drives home the cultural isolation experienced by the speaker for being 'half caste.' It's not a bastardisation of English, but more phonetic spelling to show an accent. And the poem forms part of a collection of different cultures taught at GSCE level.

Here is the poet actually performing it, he speaks English almost perfectly, hardly a bastardisation. If English was English and only such should be taught in classrooms, I'm sure you think Shakespeare and his contemporaries shouldn't be taught, since our current version of English is so different from that period. Or even up until over a century ago. English changes, to limit our self to 'English' is a silly notion and then how do you even define 'English.'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/learningzone/cl...ste/10299.html

Then that's not enlish. It's phonetic spelling. And there is a difference between past versions of English, as they were spoken, and bastardisations of English as in that poem. It's like comparing an iPhone, an iPhone4S and a crap Chinese rip off. Yes, the iPhone is not the iPhone4S, but they are clearly part of the same family, the Chinese rip off is not.

[de_monies]

(Original post by Zeffy)
And anybody who thinks overwise are brainwashed, idiotic sheeple who believe everything they are told.

Let's look at the facts

1) Formed by two Irishmen

If it was formed by two Irishmen can it then be called the "English" defence league?

[PeterOkenla11]

(Original post by Steevee)
Then that's not enlish. It's phonetic spelling. And there is a difference between past versions of English, as they were spoken, and bastardisations of English as in that poem. It's like comparing an iPhone, an iPhone4S and a crap Chinese rip off. Yes, the iPhone is not the iPhone4S, but they are clearly part of the same family, the Chinese rip off is not.

Niether is 'enlish'.
Your point is invalid :/
Sorry, Try again

[Tahooper]

(Original post by de_monies)
Yes however it was mixed race people afaik who put up that argument first, hence we no longer call mixed raced people "half caste"

Though feel free to prove me wrong. That's as far as I (think I) know

I'm not trying to prove anybody wrong. I just don't see anything offensive about calling someone who has mixed heritage as half-caste (it's like calling someone coloured, it's not PC but it's not offensive either).

[Steevee]

(Original post by PeterOkenla11)
Niether is 'enlish'.
Your point is invalid :/
Sorry, Try again

Hil-frickin-arious

[Zeffy]

(Original post by de_monies)
If it was formed by two Irishmen can it then be called the "English" defence league?

Why? Don't you think people of Irish descent can be considered to be English?

Awfully prejudiced and judgemental of you. Some might even say racist, isn't that the sort of thing the National Front spout? Now jog on, I don't talk to racists.

[de_monies]

(Original post by Zeffy)
Why? Don't you think people of Irish descent can be considered to be English?

No, they can be British but never English because you'd have to be of English descent to be considered English, and before you do accuse me of being racist, I say that about myself as well. I can be British, but never English - because my lineage comes from Pakistan/India. If any thing, it should be the "British Defence League"...

(Original post by Zeffy)
Awfully prejudiced and judgemental of you. Some might even say racist, isn't that the sort of thing the National Front spout?

First, you just have to look at your own posts, and see that you are a hate filled person. Ironic then that you say that to someone who isn't racist and doesn't hate other religions just because someone happens to belong to that religion. Then, there's the fact that you've had posts removed by mods BECAUSE you have been racist

(Original post by Zeffy)
Now jog on

This shows the language that EDL members use. I don't hear any one using that, except chavs

(Original post by Zeffy)
I don't talk to racists.

Lol. You're one to talk. I've just pointed out a massive flaw with calling it the English Defence League, when the two guys that set it up are Irish and really it should be called the British Defence League, though it shows how much thought they put in to the name

[Zeffy]

(Original post by de_monies)
No, they can be British but never English because you'd have to be of English descent to be considered English, and before you do accuse me of being racist, I say that about myself as well. I can be British, but never English - because my lineage comes from Pakistan/India. If any thing, it should be the "British Defence League"...


First, you just have to look at your own posts, and see that you are a hate filled person. Ironic then that you say that to someone who isn't racist and doesn't hate other religions just because someone happens to belong to that religion. Then, there's the fact that you've had posts removed by mods BECAUSE you have been racist


This shows the language that EDL members use. I don't hear any one using that, except chavs


Lol. You're one to talk. I've just pointed out a massive flaw with calling it the English Defence League, when the two guys that set it up are Irish and really it should be called the British Defence League, though it shows how much thought they put in to the name

Sorry, but you've proved yourself to be a racist, or at least, very prejudiced towards the Anglo-Irish population of Britain so I refuse to discuss things with you any more. I refuse to acknowledge racism and give no platform to racist scum such as yourself.

And for the record, I am not a chav, nor am I racist. I haven't made a single racist post. Everything I post is the truth, whether you and the other mindless masses are enlightened and educated enough to see it or not.

[de_monies]

(Original post by Zeffy)
Sorry, but you've proved yourself to be a racist, or at least, very prejudiced towards the Anglo-Irish population of Britain

Lol I'm not racist or "very prejudiced towards the Anglo-Irish population of Britain" I've reported all sorts of racism here - and when they were directed at White people. My argument is that an Irish person can be British, but not English. As a Pakistani, I say that I'm British but I can never be English due to ethnicity

(Original post by Zeffy)
so I refuse to discuss things with you any more. I refuse to acknowledge racism and give no platform to racist scum such as yourself.

OK, show me where I've been racist then

(Original post by Zeffy)
And for the record,

I've never heard any non chav say "Jog on" so that in itself shows that you are a chav.

(Original post by Zeffy)
I am not a chav, nor am I racist.

Yeah, all you have to do is look at the language you use, and go through your previous posts

(Original post by Zeffy)
I haven't made a single racist post. Everything I post is the truth, whether you and the other mindless masses are enlightened and educated enough to see it or not.

Mindless masses. I like that.

[Some random guy]

(Original post by Steevee)
Then that's not enlish. It's phonetic spelling. And there is a difference between past versions of English, as they were spoken, and bastardisations of English as in that poem. It's like comparing an iPhone, an iPhone4S and a crap Chinese rip off. Yes, the iPhone is not the iPhone4S, but they are clearly part of the same family, the Chinese rip off is not.

[Some random guy]

(Original post by Zeffy)
Why? Don't you think people of Irish descent can be considered to be English?

Awfully prejudiced and judgemental of you. Some might even say racist, isn't that the sort of thing the National Front spout? Now jog on, I don't talk to racists.

Can one of Pakistani descent be English?

[Left Hand Drive]

(Original post by jcrusader)
Nope not a nazi salute, its called the red hand of ulster salute. I see them all the time at Rangers matches and Orange Order parades. Not racist in the least.

It always amuses me when the the left wing BBC cherry pick the people they interview.

Orange order denied all knowledge of this "red hand salute" . Its a Nazi salute and you know it.

[jcrusader]

(Original post by Left Hand Drive)
Orange order denied all knowledge of this "red hand salute" . Its a Nazi salute and you know it.

Timothy, look at the bottom left of the picture. Which country does that flag represent?

[Left Hand Drive]

(Original post by jcrusader)
Timothy, look at the bottom left of the picture. Which country does that flag represent?

Exactly. Nazi salutes in Israel. Of all the places to do it. Your horrible fans have no shame. You'll be gone soon though.

[jcrusader]

(Original post by Left Hand Drive)
Exactly. Nazi salutes in Israel. Of all the places to do it. Your horrible fans have no shame. You'll be gone soon though.

Are you stupid or just be ignorant to the truth. Nobody, no matter how stupid they are, would fly the flag of Israel while doing Nazi salutes. It was Celtic who broke the silence during 9/11 respects. Wasn't Celtic the only club in Britain to to protest to ban the poppy? The flag is clearly in the Rangers end held by Rangers fans, in support for Israel. For the record, we are not going anywhere, we have two highly wealthy bidders of the verge of purchasing the club. Anyway this topic is to do with the EDL not Rangers.
Glasgow celtic, always offended never ashamed.
Bobby Sands died for nothing
WATP

[Left Hand Drive]

(Original post by jcrusader)
Are you stupid or just be ignorant to the truth. Nobody, no matter how stupid they are, would fly the flag of Israel while doing Nazi salutes. It was Celtic who broke the silence during 9/11 respects. Wasn't Celtic the only club in Britain to to protest to ban the poppy? The flag is clearly in the Rangers end held by Rangers fans, in support for Israel. For the record, we are not going anywhere, we have two highly wealthy bidders of the verge of purchasing the club. Anyway this topic is to do with the EDL not Rangers.
Glasgow celtic, always offended never ashamed.
Bobby Sands died for nothing
WATP

So you llot thought the best way to show support for Israel would be a straight arm salute? FFS...

You lot have been telling us that for weeks, we'll see your club is ****ed.

Rangers bye bye You certainly are the people. We however are the CHAMPIONS