[R.P.Everything.]

As an atheist, I believe that conservatism of any religion isn't going to last much longer. Only those religions who liberalise with time will be able to survive into the near future. Which religions might those be? Any that see that this is how religion is developing its role in the modern world.

[Mr.Zen]

I think that Hinduism, Buddhism, and Sikhism will be the longest surviving religions. Closely followed by Christianity and Islam.

[SaintSoldier]

(Original post by justmyopinions)
Actually, if you refer to statistics, Christianity is a growing religion, with a net gain of 2,000 people per day on average

But that's now isn't it, not in X million years when only one religion will survive.....

Plus I wouldn't class Christianity as "growing." If you mean "growth" as in what happens in India, where Christian missionaries are well known to bribe beggars into converting by offering them food (and in some cases drugs - to feed their habit) on the sole condition that they convert, then Christianity is absolutely not growing. Is that the way to spread your religion? Your religion must be pretty bad if you need to resort to those tactics.

[lebron_23]

I believe christianity is slowly going to implode. What with all this evangelising and what have you. I believe we should all just make love and forget the world..
Haha i joke.. I'm not sure as to what will be the last standing religion, but i know for a fact that i definitely won't be Islam (I say this as a Muslim btw). This is because Allah has said that all the Muslims will die before the final day (day of judgement). It is my belief then, that perhaps buddhism or another religion that has a minimal belief in God will survive to be the last standing religion, as todays society is very highly 'unconcerned' with religion and I believe that a lack of rules (if you can say any religion has a lack of rules) will appeal to the future generations...
^ And i don't really believe christianity will implode btw.. Before all of you start hating

[justmyopinions]

(Original post by SaintSoldier)
But that's now isn't it, not in X million years when only one religion will survive.....

Plus I wouldn't class Christianity as "growing." If you mean "growth" as in what happens in India, where Christian missionaries are well known to bribe beggars into converting by offering them food (and in some cases drugs - to feed their habit) on the sole condition that they convert, then Christianity is absolutely not growing. Is that the way to spread your religion? Your religion must be pretty bad if you need to resort to those tactics.

Actually, you're basing this on a minority of people who do not represent the majority of Christians. Christianity growth is actually highest in South America, Africa, and eastern Asia, such as Korea.
And the religion isn't bad at all. It teaches forgiveness and that whatever mistakes you do, you will have the unconditional love and forgiveness of God. Doesn't sound bad to me any person can be forgiven.

[killa78]

(Original post by lebron_23)
I believe christianity is slowly going to implode. What with all this evangelising and what have you. I believe we should all just make love and forget the world..
Haha i joke.. I'm not sure as to what will be the last standing religion, but i know for a fact that i definitely won't be Islam (I say this as a Muslim btw). This is because Allah has said that all the Muslims will die before the final day (day of judgement). It is my belief then, that perhaps buddhism or another religion that has a minimal belief in God will survive to be the last standing religion, as todays society is very highly 'unconcerned' with religion and I believe that a lack of rules (if you can say any religion has a lack of rules) will appeal to the future generations...
^ And i don't really believe christianity will implode btw.. Before all of you start hating

Where does its say all muslims will pass before the day of judgement?
That's news to me

[Perseveranze]

(Original post by SaintSoldier)

A big impact to Islam's capacity to spread will be oil. It will inevitably run out, and after that the Arabs have very little to offer the world. Bearing in mind that most Islamic preaching (eg Zakir Naik) is funded by Saudi Arabia, this will soon slow down after the oil has run out. The Muslims will cease to be as powerful as they are now, and will eventually fall into decay.

I lol'd. If you think Muslims are powerful now, then I guess you havn't read history. And honestly, you exagerate about Zakir Naik, it seems he mainly has a big influence in India (since he's Indian) and some Asian countries, but to the global Muslim population he isn't that popular.

(Original post by justmyopinions)
http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles6/AlJazeerahAfrica.php
http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/31/...-christianity/

there's too many contradictory links these days.
But yeah. safe to say the demographic statistics are probably going to be stable as the Islam to Christian conversion is counterbalanced by high islamic birthrates, therefore I read the populations of both are predicted, overall, to remain stable in the next 150 years.

This is quite funny.

First link: No actual research or data collection, no professional analysts or anything. Just an interview with a random "sheikh" that no one has heard of.

Logically speaking, if 6 million Muslims did convert to Christianity each year, then Christianity would be close to the majority in North Africa by now. Which, sorry to burst your bubble, its presence is hardly felt lol.

Anyways, from what I remember, it's grown only in some places of Africa (Sub-Sahara) and some places in Asia. However, it's said to be decreasing in growth in western nations.

Second link: No research blah blah. It's a pastor who wrote that lol.


I mean, don't get me wrong, whatever you want to believe to make you happy. Doesn't bother me, as truth isn't defined by how many enter or leave a faith. But, at least try and find something more credible?

[justmyopinions]

(Original post by Perseveranze)
I lol'd. If you think Muslims are powerful now, then I guess you havn't read history. And honestly, you exagerate about Zakir Naik, it seems he mainly has a big influence in India (since he's Indian) and some Asian countries, but to the global Muslim population he isn't that popular.



This is quite funny.

First link: No actual research or data collection, no professional analysts or anything. Just an interview with a random "sheikh" that no one has heard of.

Logically speaking, if 6 million Muslims did convert to Christianity each year, then Christianity would be close to the majority in North Africa by now. Which, sorry to burst your bubble, its presence is hardly felt lol.

Anyways, from what I remember, it's grown only in some places of Africa (Sub-Sahara) and some places in Asia. However, it's said to be decreasing in growth in western nations.

Second link: No research blah blah. It's a pastor who wrote that lol.


I mean, don't get me wrong, whatever you want to believe to make you happy. Doesn't bother me, as truth isn't defined by how many enter or leave a faith. But, at least try and find something more credible?

Stop speaking to me like I'm a stupid idiot, you do it a lot. Do you spend your entire life trying to defend every insch of Islam on TSR? And of actually many central and Southern African countries (like South Africa) are experiencing Christian growth, along with India and many of the eastern Asian countries.

And do you know any demographic statistics? If 6 million Muslims (in northern ANd sub-Saharan Africa), converted to Christianity per year, then Cristianity would not be an instant majority. 1) Muslims have higher birth rates and 2) many sub-Saharan African countries have high inter marriage rates (such as 90% in the Gambia, I think), which means that a Christian or Muslim parent does not always mean a christian or Muslim child.
"Truth isn't defined..." blah blah blah what does that mean?

[navarre]

(Original post by Perseveranze)


I mean, don't get me wrong, whatever you want to believe to make you happy. Doesn't bother me, as truth isn't defined by how many enter or leave a faith. But, at least try and find something more credible?

HAHAHAHA, you've GOT to be kidding me.

Of COURSE it bothers you, you are always harking on about Islam being the fastest growing and whatnot. In fact, half of the time the only argument religious people (Muslims as well as Christians) have is 'well, my religion is growing fast' or 'well, so many people are converting and they can't be wrong'.

[TheHistoryStudent]

None of the above.

Religion I think, will always exist, or at the very least, belief in a higher entity of some kind, however I think over the spread of all human history (all the way up to when the last human dies), the religions we have now will dissappear - although whether that will be good or bad I don't know.

[SaharaDesert]

I don't think Islam (in its truest form) will survive until the end of the world, seeing as this has been predicted by Islamic traditions.

I think either Judaism or Sikhism, seeing as these religions are often tied with the the country (Israel/India) so religious teachings and identity would probably survive in the form of cultural traditions and identity.

[Perseveranze]

(Original post by navarre)
HAHAHAHA, you've GOT to be kidding me.

Of COURSE it bothers you, you are always harking on about Islam being the fastest growing and whatnot. In fact, half of the time the only argument religious people (Muslims as well as Christians) have is 'well, my religion is growing fast' or 'well, so many people are converting and they can't be wrong'.

The "bothers" part is ironic, since that can be reflected in your attitude to any religious based argument that serves logic.

As for "the fastest growing so it must be right", of course it doesn't bother me. I don't know about Christians, but Muslims don't believe Islam is the truth because of its growth. I mean, Islam is said to one day overtake Christianity as the biggest religion in the world (by around 2050-2100 I read), and the Sunni sect is already considered the largest in the world, even more-so than Catholicism, yet never have we boasted this as a sign post of "truth".

The evidence for Islam from the Muslim perspective has always been the Qur'an and the life of the Prophet(pbuh).

ps. As the poster said above, Prophecy says Islam will one day vanish. In fact, it is said that everyone at some point will be an Atheist.

(Original post by justmyopinions)
Stop speaking to me like I'm a stupid idiot, you do it a lot. Do you spend your entire life trying to defend every insch of Islam on TSR? And of actually many central and Southern African countries (like South Africa) are experiencing Christian growth, along with India and many of the eastern Asian countries.

And do you know any demographic statistics? If 6 million Muslims (in northern ANd sub-Saharan Africa), converted to Christianity per year, then Cristianity would not be an instant majority. 1) Muslims have higher birth rates and 2) many sub-Saharan African countries have high inter marriage rates (such as 90% in the Gambia, I think), which means that a Christian or Muslim parent does not always mean a christian or Muslim child.
"Truth isn't defined..." blah blah blah what does that mean?

LoL. I won't even bother going into the rationale of this.

So I'll kindly ask you, can't you get any good secular (or atleast non-Christian) sources based on research/data that report 6 million Muslim are Converting to Christianity each year?

I don't mean this with any disrespect, but it's extremely unlikely (from the rational perspective). Like maybe a Muslim becomes agnostic, at worst Atheist, but hardly ever a Christian. I rather not say why, due to how obvious it is, and I wouldn't want to offend any Christians.

So I'll leave it with this;

Whatever the cause be, Mohammedanism has survived, and vigorously survived. Missionary effort has had no appreciable effect upon it. It still converts pagan savages wholesale. It even attracts from time to time some European eccentric, who joins its body. But the Mohammedan never becomes a Catholic. No fragment of Islam ever abandons its sacred book, its code of orals, its organized system of prayer, its simple doctrine. In view of this, anyone with a knowledge of history is bound to ask himself whether we shall not see in the future a rival of Mohammedan political power, and the renewal of the old pressure of Islam on Christendom. - The Great Heresies, Hilaire Belloc (1870-1953)

[lebron_23]

(Original post by killa78)
Where does its say all muslims will pass before the day of judgement?
That's news to me

I'm fairly certain that it's in the Quran somewhere, because i remember a lecture about it. And apparently Allah will cause all muslims to die through the coming of Dajjal. He will claim to be god, and the Christians and Jews will follow him, as will a large amount of Muslims. Only the true believers in Allah will remain and they will gather under the Mehdi to fight a losing battle. All the Muslims will then be wiped out, and only the corrupt will remain
This may clear up a few things i said, as my description of events is most probably slightly addled...
http://2012predictions.org/islam-wha...orld-t770.html

[justmyopinions]

(Original post by Perseveranze)
The "bothers" part is ironic, since that can be reflected in your attitude to any religious based argument that serves logic.

As for "the fastest growing so it must be right", of course it doesn't bother me. I don't know about Christians, but Muslims don't believe Islam is the truth because of its growth. I mean, Islam is said to one day overtake Christianity as the biggest religion in the world (by around 2050-2100 I read), and the Sunni sect is already considered the largest in the world, even more-so than Catholicism, yet never have we boasted this as a sign post of "truth".

The evidence for Islam from the Muslim perspective has always been the Qur'an and the life of the Prophet(pbuh).

ps. As the poster said above, Prophecy says Islam will one day vanish. In fact, it is said that everyone at some point will be an Atheist.



LoL. I won't even bother going into the rationale of this.

So I'll kindly ask you, can't you get any good secular (or atleast non-Christian) sources based on research/data that report 6 million Muslim are Converting to Christianity each year?

I don't mean this with any disrespect, but it's extremely unlikely (from the rational perspective). Like maybe a Muslim becomes agnostic, at worst Atheist, but hardly ever a Christian. I rather not say why, due to how obvious it is, and I wouldn't want to offend any Christians.

So I'll leave it with this;

Whatever the cause be, Mohammedanism has survived, and vigorously survived. Missionary effort has had no appreciable effect upon it. It still converts pagan savages wholesale. It even attracts from time to time some European eccentric, who joins its body. But the Mohammedan never becomes a Catholic. No fragment of Islam ever abandons its sacred book, its code of orals, its organized system of prayer, its simple doctrine. In view of this, anyone with a knowledge of history is bound to ask himself whether we shall not see in the future a rival of Mohammedan political power, and the renewal of the old pressure of Islam on Christendom. - The Great Heresies, Hilaire Belloc (1870-1953)

I'm not reading the extract. Along with communism and fascism I don't like Islam due to Sharia Law, it's against everything I believe in so I haven't read the extract
Also, I hate political correctness, so just say whatever it is you're scared will offend!!
And why would they convert? Maybe because they see the unconditional forgiveness of Jesus as being the better message?

Also I'll see if I can find a source, but not on my iPad at the moment.

P.S, the Koran is false so any statistics you pull from it aren't true, I know this because it contains many imperfections which wouldn't be there if god created it.

[getoom]

(Original post by justmyopinions)
I'm not reading the extract. Along with communism and fascism I don't like Islam due to Sharia Law, it's against everything I believe in so I haven't read the extract
Also, I hate political correctness, so just say whatever it is you're scared will offend!!
And why would they convert? Maybe because they see the unconditional forgiveness of Jesus as being the better message?

Also I'll see if I can find a source, but not on my iPad at the moment.

P.S, the Koran is false so any statistics you pull from it aren't true, I know this because it contains many imperfections which wouldn't be there if god created it.

we've had this argument already and you lost

[navarre]

(Original post by Perseveranze)
The "bothers" part is ironic, since that can be reflected in your attitude to any religious based argument that serves logic.

As for "the fastest growing so it must be right", of course it doesn't bother me. I don't know about Christians, but Muslims don't believe Islam is the truth because of its growth. I mean, Islam is said to one day overtake Christianity as the biggest religion in the world (by around 2050-2100 I read), and the Sunni sect is already considered the largest in the world, even more-so than Catholicism, yet never have we boasted this as a sign post of "truth".

I've encountered many Muslims say 'Islam is the truth, that's why it's growing so fast' (though the reason it's growing fast is down to high birth rates rather than conversion, although let's not mention that!). Even now you're harking on about Islam being big, which, if it wasn't relevant to your argument, you wouldn't mention it.
I mean, it's akin to saying that the high sales of Zeldakyward Sword goes to show that Skyward Sword is actually based on truth. It isn't, though it IS a fantastic game (the best I've ever played).

Here's a tip for critical thinking- just because lots of people believe something is true, or think something is good, it doesn't always fit with reality!

[The Lyceum]

(Original post by navarre)
I've encountered many Muslims say 'Islam is the truth, that's why it's growing so fast' (though the reason it's growing fast is down to high birth rates rather than conversion, although let's not mention that!). Even now you're harking on about Islam being big, which, if it wasn't relevant to your argument, you wouldn't mention it.
I mean, it's akin to saying that the high sales of Zeldakyward Sword goes to show that Skyward Sword is actually based on truth. It isn't, though it IS a fantastic game (the best I've ever played).

Here's a tip for critical thinking- just because lots of people believe something is true, or think something is good, it doesn't always fit with reality!

Heretic! You will burn for this!!




...

[justmyopinions]

(Original post by getoom)
we've had this argument already and you lost

oh well.
I would rather burn in Hell than go to a heaven run by a God who punishes homosexuals and people who leave his religion. In fact, I would do anything to go to that Hell.


Edit: the Quran does contain many imperfections.

Edit: I remembered one. If the Quran is perfect, then why does it promote actions which, today, are known to be medicially dangerous?
1) "O prophet, we have made lawful to you those of your wives, whose dowers you have paid, and those women who came into your Possession out of the slave-girls granted by Allah, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and aunts, and of your maternal uncles and aunts, who have migrated with you, and the believing woman who gives herself to the Prophet if the Prophet may desire to marry her."
Quran 33:50.
Incest significantly raises birth defects and is extremely unhealthy.

2) There are other examples, such as stating that young girls can be sexually active, when the maternal death rate for mothers age 15 or younger is 60% greater than that of women in their 20s. So tell me, how would your God know this and yet encourage it?

[rach2012]

Spiritualism. It seems that the beliefs could be fit in with most other main religions (although most have both arguments for and against this); but unlike most other reigions its not 'follow only this way of life', more that there are some shared concepts which each person could fit into their own beliefs. Therefore, I think its adaptability will keep it going.

[InternetGangster]

(Original post by Perseveranze)
Imagine that from all the religions today, only 1 religion was going to survive until the very end (hopefully we can all agree that nothing lasts forever).

In your opinion, which religion do you believe is "most likely" that religion which could stand the test of time. Even if you do not believe any religion could, just mention a religion you think would have the "best chance".

Giving your reasons would also be interesting to hear. Remember, this isn't about "which religion you like", it's about which religion, in your honest opinion, has the least chance of disbanding over the course of our whole human history.

Oh, not even God?