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Rochdale grooming trial: Nine found guilty of child sex charges

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    (Original post by Cannotbelieveit)
    Another victory for Labour's Multi-Culturism policy!

    On a serious note, absolutely disgusting; these people need to be shot.
    :five:
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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ble-issue.html

    Experts in the field point out that in general white paedophiles operate in isolation. The new, Asian-led grooming is being done mostly by large numbers of men acting as a group.
    Such men regard their victims with contempt – “easy” girls, often in care or on `at risk` registers, whose early isolation from school and family has already turned them to drink, drugs or both.
    One of the men on trial in Liverpool summed up this attitude when he said: “You white people train them in sex and drinking, so when they come to us they are fully trained”.
    Like others in the gang, he saw nothing wrong with plying victims with drink and then forcing them to have sex. As he told Girl A: “I gave you vodka, now it’s your turn to give me something”.
    Others have told their victims it is alright to sleep with them “because it’s what we do in our country”.
    Nazir Afzal, the chief prosecutor for the CPS in the North West, happens to be a British-born Pakistani. He was also the man who reversed the original, flawed decision not to prosecute two members of the gang in 2009-2010.

    Anyone who continues to deny this is a problem with the Pakistani community and more precisely how they see western girls, is insane, blind or just plain stupid. Or a bigot who cannot stand any of their own kind being criticized
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    (Original post by xumanah)
    Can you also explain why the vast majority of black males go after white girls?
    Why there are many African dictators married to white women?
    Why there are many Arab leaders married to white women?

    Got to any porn site and the vast majority of women are white.

    20 years ago it was black males, now its pakistani and more specifically muslim.
    maybe its because they are the hottest women alive?

    also yes, you will also find the majority of porn watched in arabian and south asian countries features white western women. How odd is that?
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    (Original post by Ray Bradbury)
    Disgusting pigs.
    Just now on the BBC news the police said "There may have been as many as 50 men involved":mad:
    Omg , those poor girls .I hope they receive the help and support they are going to need.
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    (Original post by marcusfox)
    There's irony there somewhere I'm sure, I just can't put my finger on it...
    Then you should try a bit harder; I can put my finger on it.


    (Original post by Perseveranze)
    Usually they are streetwise little (insert the S word) after alcohol, money or drugs and when dumped, then it's "I didn't know what they were after. I thought they wanted to be my friend." [/B]
    Drawing conclusions from little to no evidence again, eh? Your attempt to share the blame between the victims and the perpetrators is shameful.
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    (Original post by xumanah)
    Can you also explain why the vast majority of black males go after white girls?
    Why there are many African dictators married to white women?
    Why there are many Arab leaders married to white women?


    Got to any porn site and the vast majority of women are white.

    20 years ago it was black males, now its pakistani and more specifically muslim.
    Are they?
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    One thing I do not quite understand is the use of the term 'Asian' in the media.

    Are there any Japanese involved in this? Are there any Koreans involved in this? Are there any Taiwanese involved in this? Are there any Chinese involved in this? Are there any Vietnamese involved in this?

    Why they use the name of the CONTINENT if they want to pinpoint some actions from some specific COUNTRIES?

    Wouldn't it be better to pinpoint the countries, or dare I say, specific religious group(s), so that we can be a lot more honest about problem.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    Then you should try a bit harder; I can put my finger on it.




    Drawing conclusions from little to no evidence again, eh? Your attempt to share the blame between the victims and the perpetrators is shameful.
    perseverance hates white people, non muslims, westerners and especially their women. he would say nothing else. just ignore him, his opinions are sickening and it is a waste of 2 minutes of your life reading his posts.
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    (Original post by badcheesecrispy)
    perseverance hates white people, non muslims, westerners and especially their women. he would say nothing else. just ignore him, his opinions are sickening and it is a waste of 2 minutes of your life reading his posts.
    It is strange how someone who claims to follow a religious ethic would behave like that.
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    (Original post by badcheesecrispy)
    perseverance hates white people, non muslims, westerners and especially their women. he would say nothing else. just ignore him, his opinions are sickening and it is a waste of 2 minutes of your life reading his posts.
    That's awkward.
    I'm half-white due to the fact that my dad's French (making me half-western) and female.
    But at the same time I'm muslim.

    So does he only 75% hate me? WHO KNOWS.
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    Enough with the whole tip-toeing around the whole 'this isn't a race issue'.
    No. It is a race/culture issue.
    It's to do with how these men were brought up and what values they were brought up with and how they were taught to react to the British community.
    Fortunately, a good proportion of blacks/asians/arabs/eastern europeans/other have managed to actually do it properly, whereas some groups clearly haven't.

    I'm going to be honest here. What people say about a 'lack of respect for western women and culture' isn't exactly untrue. There is most definitely evidence of this. I mean, the number of people who marry 'easy white women' in order to get a European nationality is insane.

    The problem here is definitely definitely not religion but culture. And if culture can be changed, things like this and even terrorism could be helped.
    But if people are far too stubborn to change the way they think...well, should they be surprised when they end up in court for their actions?
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    (Original post by funnyapple)
    One thing I do not quite understand is the use of the term 'Asian' in the media.

    Are there any Japanese involved in this? Are there any Koreans involved in this? Are there any Taiwanese involved in this? Are there any Chinese involved in this? Are there any Vietnamese involved in this?

    Why they use the name of the CONTINENT if they want to pinpoint some actions from some specific COUNTRIES?

    Wouldn't it be better to pinpoint the countries, or dare I say, specific religious group(s), so that we can be a lot more honest about problem.
    It is because for these crimes, the demographics are often not recorded, and when they are, for example by organisations such as CEOP, they would simply say White, Asian, Black etc. They would not say 'White Irish, Black African or Asian Chinese.

    And god forbid they would list the religious group, that would be a major no-no.

    Except we can quite easily read between the lines as there are accurate population statistics made up by race and by religion for the whole of the UK.

    If they say Asian, then it's pretty much likely they are Indian or Pakistani as they make up the significant majority of Asians in Britain, with more Indians than Pakistanis (~1m vs ~750k, compared to ~300k Bangladeshi and ~250k other South Asian in the 2001 census).

    If it is Asian Indian, then it's 56% likely to be of Hindu descent because 56% of Indians in Britain are are Hindus. If they are Asian Pakistani, then its 92% likely to be of Muslim descent because 92% of Pakistanis in Britain are Muslim.
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    (Original post by PrismaticCore)
    That's awkward.
    I'm half-white due to the fact that my dad's French (making me half-western) and female.
    But at the same time I'm muslim.

    So does he only 75% hate me? WHO KNOWS.
    he hates westerners- ie their culture, their ways of life.

    you totally missed the point but thats ok, I can handle a bit of muslim point scoring
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    Is it not that the problem is to do with the insecurities of english white girls and the destruction of family life?

    Faced with the constant sexual barrage from the media, the have it now society where people will do anything for that chance of being famous?

    I'm not bashing western culture here but the english mentality.

    Why is it there are girls and boys under the age of 16 walking the streets at 12 in the night?

    Why is it parents just don't give a toss what there kids are upto?

    As regards to the scum who were jailed, animals will always be animals.

    But the problem is not just these animals, but deeper.
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    (Original post by xumanah)
    Is it not that the problem is to do with the insecurities of english white girls and the destruction of family life?

    Faced with the constant sexual barrage from the media, the have it now society where people will do anything for that chance of being famous?

    I'm not bashing western culture here but the english mentality.

    Why is it there are girls and boys under the age of 16 walking the streets at 12 in the night?

    Why is it parents just don't give a toss what there kids are upto?
    I wonder what you expect to do about girls having low self esteem, no good family, support or anything at all. Its pretty much happened since beginning of time. Is this another way of blaming the white people like the guy did who has just been jailed for 19 years?

    What has wanting to be famous got to do with being groomed and sexually exploited?

    Again, if you hate the 'english mentality' (what is this? If there is such thing, wouldnt every single english person possess this deficiency?), why live in England, if you do? Why not live somewhere where the population has a superior mentality?

    There is no destruction of family life. People are able and not looked down on for divorcing and splitting these days, and poor people/those with issues who shouldnt really have kids have them. Not something you or I can stop and blaming young girls who have been raped isnt the way to go about stopping it.

    To finalize my point, these predators have been known to hang around schools (not late at night), and approach girls during the day and early evenings.

    Now, button it and come back down to planet earth.
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    In Sentencing the judge says culture and religion were a factor... Even if the cops won't.
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    (Original post by TheHansa)
    Are they?
    Off the top of my head

    Suha Arafat
    Asma al-Assad
    Queen Noor of Jordan
    Princess Muna al-Hussein
    Suzanne Mubarak
    ......


    Why are black men fond of white women?
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    (Original post by badcheesecrispy)
    I wonder what you expect to do about girls having low self esteem, no good family, support or anything at all. Its pretty much happened since beginning of time. Is this another way of blaming the white people like the guy did who has just been jailed for 19 years?

    What has wanting to be famous got to do with being groomed and sexually exploited?

    Again, if you hate the 'english mentality' (what is this? If there is such thing, wouldnt every single english person possess this deficiency?), why live in England, if you do? Why not live somewhere where the population has a superior mentality?

    There is no destruction of family life. People are able and not looked down on for divorcing and splitting these days, and poor people/those with issues who shouldnt really have kids have them. Not something you or I can stop and blaming young girls who have been raped isnt the way to go about stopping it.

    To finalize my point, these predators have been known to hang around schools (not late at night), and approach girls during the day and early evenings.

    Now, button it and come back down to planet earth.

    So the media has never been cited for showing girls as sex objects?

    Get a life and do some research before slagging people off.

    BTW Even though my username may sound foreign, I'm not but I can see the wood for the trees.
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    (Original post by Joinedup)
    In Sentencing the judge says culture and religion were a factor... Even if the cops won't.
    How exactly does religion play a part in this?

    I mean, what they did was horrendous and it was entirely due to the individuals and the beliefs they had BASED on culture.
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    (Original post by Ray Bradbury)
    "Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of of the Ramadhan Foundation accused Pakistani community elders of "burying their heads in the sand" on the issue of on-street grooming.

    "There is a significant problem for the British Pakistani community," he said.

    "There should be no silence in addressing the issue of race as this is central to the actions of these criminals.

    "They think that white teenage girls are worthless and can be abused without a second thought; it is this sort of behaviour that is bringing shame on our community."

    Shafiq has nothing to hide. He regularly faces death threats for speaking out on this issue, so I know whos word I'll be taking on wether it is racist or not.
    Shafiq is the only guy who speaks out on this. all the others deny it, blame it on victims.

    they're completely unnaproachable on any issue in which they're in the wrong (alot of the time).
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