[Pindar]

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
A war he himself started .......

How can you start a war before you were even born? Have you any knowledge of the history of US intervention and imperialism in Muslim countries? I really don't think so.

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
No it wasnt.

What was I saying then? What were these "fabrications"? Don't avoid the question.

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
I could ask for the same from you. I will need to borrow your tin-foil hat before you start though.

You want evidence to prove a negative? Righht.... No i'm sorry. The burden of proof is on you.

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
Youre more disgusted by navy seals going in heavy into a terrorists fortress than the realisation that women and children were co-erced by islamists to blow up civilians? Yes you should be ashamed.

LOL "terrorist fortress". Using highly biased sensationalist language such as that doesn't fool anyone into thinking this was anything less than the brutal home invasion of an innocent man, his wives and his children. If you want to play at cheap smear tactics and buffoonery, go work for the Daily Mail.

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
You think that was likely? What happened to Mussolini after the war? Tojo?

I guess the trials of Nazi war criminals never happened in your convenient little alternative history, which conveniently fits your agenda.

Liar, stupid or in denial? Take your pick.

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by Stefan1991)
How can you start a war before you were even born? Have you any knowledge of the history of US intervention and imperialism in Muslim countries? I really don't think so. .

Well he started the war by organising various attacks in US targets, so his ultimate death was inevitable. Im not sure what you are drivelling about now, history of US imperialism? IS there a cut-off point in history in your eyes, when certain 'imperialsm' is to blame and other imperialism becomes ignored? Ie how about the fact yemen, afganistan etc all were countries the victim of islamic imperialism and invasion on many times a larger scale.

(Original post by Stefan1991)

What was I saying then? What were these "fabrications"? Don't avoid the question. .

Your suggestion that the US raid on his house was unjustified, what is your "evidence?"

(Original post by Stefan1991)

You want evidence to prove a negative? Righht.... No i'm sorry. The burden of proof is on you. .

i think not, see above

(Original post by Stefan1991)
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LOL "terrorist fortress". Using highly biased sensationalist language such as that doesn't fool anyone into thinking this was anything less than the brutal home invasion of an innocent man, his wives and his children. If you want to play at cheap smear tactics and buffoonery, go work for the Daily Mail. .

"innocent man", lol. Tin foil hats plz

(Original post by Stefan1991)
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Liar, stupid or in denial? Take your pick.

In your case, i would think all 3 apply

[Pindar]

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
Well he started the war by organising various attacks in US targets, so his ultimate death was inevitable. Im not sure what you are drivelling about now, history of US imperialism? IS there a cut-off point in history in your eyes, when certain 'imperialsm' is to blame and other imperialism becomes ignored? Ie how about the fact yemen, afganistan etc all were countries the victim of islamic imperialism and invasion on many times a larger scale.

Yemen, Afghanistan did not exist as countries at the time of Islamic imperialism, but rather small sparse bands of warring tribes which were then united under Islam.

Osama Bin Laden did not start a war but was at all time very clear that he was defending the Muslim world from its continued attack, this was at the time the US had invaded and occupied the M.East and started building Military bases all over and had propped up several dictatorships.

This was a war of self-defence for which Bin Laden had strong scriptural support.

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
Your suggestion that the US raid on his house was unjustified, what is your "evidence?"

We know several people were gunned down unarmed and which didn't pose a threat. We know that US intelligence was only 50% sure Bin Laden was even in the house, therefore they were gunning unarmed innocent people down without even knowing it was the right house. Even Obama admitted this in interviews.

They then simply murdered someone in cold blood they suspected of a crime, a father and husband, without arresting him and following due process, giving him a chance to defend himself in a court of law. Instead they acted like a true tyrant, as judge, jury and executioner.

They also invaded the sovereign airspace and territory of the Pakistani people, something which can automatically be considered an act of unprovoked war and aggression.

Many reasonable people would consider all these things unjustified. Whereas your opinion is impossible to justify. Unless you believe it should be fine that the United States of America can invade any country they like, assassinate and murder whomever they wish on the say so of one man.
However, to me, and most reasonable persons, that sounds a lot like tyranny.

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
i think not, see above

You wanted me to prove that it wasn't Bin Laden in that house, when there's little proof it was him in that house...

I'd rather wear a tin-foil hat and ask question than just believe anything without evidence.

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
"innocent man", lol. Tin foil hats plz

See above.

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by Stefan1991)
Yemen, Afghanistan did not exist as countries at the time of Islamic imperialism, but rather small sparse bands of warring tribes which were then united under Islam.

"yemen" as a country didnt exist under islamic imperialism becuse the various muslim rulers didnt allow it- it only broke away as independant from the ottoman empire in 1918. Same applies to Afganistan, which was known as Khorasan before muslim armies invaded (killing hundreds of thousands in the process) as they did in various now 'muslim' nations.
The point was islamic imperialism invaded, displaced and murdered far more peoples than america ever did, regardless of national borders. So kind of flushes your argument.

(Original post by Stefan1991)

Osama Bin Laden did not start a war but was at all time very clear that he was defending the Muslim world from its continued attack, this was at the time the US had invaded and occupied the M.East and started building Military bases all over and had propped up several dictatorships.

Yes, his 'defence' of the muslim world by the killing of a few thousand western cvilians had directy led to the deaths of a few million muslims who were otherwise living normal lives. Good bit of 'defense' there. He cares about the lives of bog-stanfard everyday muslims like you or his own personal noteriey?

(Original post by Stefan1991)


This was a war of self-defence for which Bin Laden had strong scriptural support.

what does that mean?

(Original post by Stefan1991)

We know several people were gunned down unarmed and which didn't pose a threat. We know that US intelligence was only 50% sure Bin Laden was even in the house, therefore they were gunning unarmed innocent people down without even knowing it was the right house. Even Obama admitted this in interviews.

Bin ladens cohorts and human shields. They were brought into the house to protect the most wanted terrorist in the world - they knew that too. Islamists are good at convincing lessor, more gullible muslims to sacrifce themselves to protect higher ranking muslims ( suicide bombers, human shields etc)

(Original post by Stefan1991)


They then simply murdered someone in cold blood they suspected of a crime, a father and husband, without arresting him and following due process, giving him a chance to defend himself in a court of law. Instead they acted like a true tyrant, as judge, jury and executioner.

Same rights, trials and chance to defend bin laden and al queda gave to the various victims of their terrorism?

(Original post by Stefan1991)


They also invaded the sovereign airspace and territory of the Pakistani people, something which can automatically be considered an act of unprovoked war and aggression.

Pakistan didnt seem to be concerned do anything about it. Neither did the rst of the world. Pakistan aslo denied vehemntly bin laden was ever in their country, till it has been proven he was living there under their armies protection for most of he last 10 years.

(Original post by Stefan1991)

Many reasonable people would consider all these things unjustified. Whereas your opinion is impossible to justify. Unless you believe it should be fine that the United States of America can invade any country they like, assassinate and murder whomever they wish on the say so of one man.
However, to me, and most reasonable persons, that sounds a lot like tyranny.

Im quite happy that the US executes islamist terorists - i hope they up their kill rate, wherever they may be. Muslim countries dont seem to want to do anything about islamic terorists, in fact they encourage it - what did you expect from the US exactly?

(Original post by Stefan1991)

You wanted me to prove that it wasn't Bin Laden in that house, when there's little proof it was him in that house...

There was more proof he was than wasnt. AL queda also confirmed bin laden had been killed in the operation fyi- and his various wives later confimred he was in the house

(Original post by Stefan1991)

I'd rather wear a tin-foil hat and ask question than just believe anything without evidence.

There is more evidence of the normal point of view than an alternative. hence why the tin-foil hat wearing moron is viewed as the laughing stock, not a respected intellectual.

[Pindar]

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
"yemen" as a country didnt exist under islamic imperialism becuse the various muslim rulers didnt allow it- it only broke away as independant from the ottoman empire in 1918. Same applies to Afganistan, which was known as Khorasan before muslim armies invaded (killing hundreds of thousands in the process) as they did in various now 'muslim' nations.
The point was islamic imperialism invaded, displaced and murdered far more peoples than america ever did, regardless of national borders. So kind of flushes your argument.

No one needs to defend themselves against a war that happened over a 1000 years ago... we're talking about a war happening before and during Bin Laden's lifetime.

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
Yes, his 'defence' of the muslim world by the killing of a few thousand western cvilians had directy led to the deaths of a few million muslims who were otherwise living normal lives. Good bit of 'defense' there. He cares about the lives of bog-stanfard everyday muslims like you or his own personal noteriey?

I'm not muslim. Where's your proof of this?

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
what does that mean?

Self-defence is permitted by Islamic law.

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
Bin ladens cohorts and human shields. They were brought into the house to protect the most wanted terrorist in the world - they knew that too. Islamists are good at convincing lessor, more gullible muslims to sacrifce themselves to protect higher ranking muslims ( suicide bombers, human shields etc)

You mean his family and his friend's family? This whole "human shields" thing is a bit daft. You'd have to twist the truth quite a lot to suggest that living with your family in your home is purposefully using them as some sort of human shields.

As it turns out, US soldiers care little for the lives of human shields. Bin Laden probably already knew this.

We still don't know it was Bin Laden, we still don't know he had anything to do with the 9/11 attacks. There's little point speculating on the intentions of a man who we don't even know was present.

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
Same rights, trials and chance to defend bin laden and al queda gave to the various victims of their terrorism?

Two wrongs don't make a right. That would be a logical fallacy. We don't know what crimes Bin Laden committed, if any. That still does not mean they did not deserve a fair trial as is their human right. What's the point in fighting terrorism if you become terrorists yourself?

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
Pakistan didnt seem to be concerned do anything about it. Neither did the rst of the world. Pakistan aslo denied vehemntly bin laden was ever in their country, till it has been proven he was living there under their armies protection for most of he last 10 years.

Pakistan denies it, eyewitnesses deny it, neighbours deny it. There is no evidence for it. This all seems a little strange.

Believe me, Pakistan and US relations were severely strained. Particularly after US-led NATO had killed 24 soldiers from the Pakistani army whilst they slept in an unprovoked attack and wounded many more. I don't think Pakistan is in a position to declare war on the US really if that's what you meant.

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
Im quite happy that the US executes islamist terorists - i hope they up their kill rate, wherever they may be. Muslim countries dont seem to want to do anything about islamic terorists, in fact they encourage it - what did you expect from the US exactly?

Muslim countries. You mean the ones with US supported dictators and police states? Of course they'll say that. It would be suicidal if they didn't.

Would you mind if the US executed British democracy activists?

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
There was more proof he was than wasnt. AL queda also confirmed bin laden had been killed in the operation fyi- and his various wives later confimred he was in the house

Yes, someone posted claiming to be Al Qaeda on an internet forum. Very convincing.

Btw, I'm the real AL Qaeda and he's alive. Is that any more convincing?

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
There is more evidence of the normal point of view than an alternative. hence why the tin-foil hat wearing moron is viewed as the laughing stock, not a respected intellectual.

I'd like to know where this evidence actually is... I only form my views based on the evidence. If there actually was credible evidence, for example a photograph of Bin Laden's shot corpse, an eyewitness who saw him or a signed confession he ordered 9/11, then I would change my views in an instant.

Until then I will regard anyone who's views are based on what some government spokesperson said without needing to question or see any real evidence, as a gullible moron. Good day.

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by Stefan1991)
No one needs to defend themselves against a war that happened over a 1000 years ago... we're talking about a war happening before and during Bin Laden's lifetime. .

SO why critisise americas past 'imperialist' policy (which it isnt) when muslim invaders have committed far worse attrocities in all muslim regions than the US? Surely the americans threatment of afganis yemese etc is better than muslim imperialists? Clearly you have no knwledge of how those regions became majority muslim in the first place - or indeed how various non -muslim minorities are treated even today.
Isnt 1000 years ago before bin ladens lifetime too - why wasnt he fighting to return all the lands his muslim saudi ancestors annexed? If you want to look to the past you can show that all these 'countries' were in better states before the muslims came. So US 'interference' can be seen as improving the situation.

(Original post by Stefan1991)
I'm not muslim. Where's your proof of this? .

lol

(Original post by Stefan1991)
Self-defence is permitted by Islamic law. .

al quedas practice of self defence is bombing unarmed civilians - is it permitted in islamic law? And if you do so , do you not expect retalitation -before 9/11 ther were amillion more muslims still alive than 10 years after - shows what bin ladens priorites were, they were certianly not to protect life.

(Original post by Stefan1991)

You mean his family and his friend's family? This whole "human shields" thing is a bit daft. You'd have to twist the truth quite a lot to suggest that living with your family in your home is purposefully using them as some sort of human shields. .

His home wasnt pakistan, why was he there?Oh yeah because he murdered a bunch of office workers and then went on the run. Then thought it might be an idea to get women and children to stay with him to put the americans off dropping a bomb on his house.. Quite the hero

(Original post by Stefan1991)


We still don't know it was Bin Laden, we still don't know he had anything to do with the 9/11 attacks. There's little point speculating on the intentions of a man who we don't even know was present. .

Only the tin foil hat retard doesnt know this -the rest of us know dna proof showed with 99.9 % acuracy it was bin laden, as well as account provided by the various witnesses, and the statement released by al queda subsequently. Have you seen any vidoes released by bin laden lately
Im still waiting to see all the evidnce you collected to disprove the above lol.

(Original post by Stefan1991)

Two wrongs don't make a right. That would be a logical fallacy. We don't know what crimes Bin Laden committed, if any. That still does not mean they did not deserve a fair trial as is their human right. What's the point in fighting terrorism if you become terrorists yourself?
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We do know and most moralistic people will agree he deserved worse than simply two bullets in his face and dumped into the sea. But thats what the americans afforded him. I odnt really care how we fight terorrists, as long as they are elimonated, they are the lowest form of cowardly scum on this planet.

You could suggest that at least those who have a 'cause' however idiotic, still fought their enemy face to face like men - instead of concinving retards to blow themselves and random people up, then running to hide in pakistan behind multiple wives.

(Original post by Stefan1991)

Pakistan denies it, eyewitnesses deny it, neighbours deny it. There is no evidence for it. This all seems a little strange .

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Seems strange too pakistan denied it had terrorist training camps, till evidence came out about those too. Doesnt seem strange when you accept various muslim countries (and muslims as per this conversation) are in secret supportive of terrorism)

(Original post by Stefan1991)
Believe me, Pakistan and US relations were severely strained. Particularly after US-led NATO had killed 24 soldiers from the Pakistani army whilst they slept in an unprovoked attack and wounded many more. I don't think Pakistan is in a position to declare war on the US really if that's what you meant. .

Then maybe they should stop breeding and harbouring terrorist scum. Look at the state of the place.

(Original post by Stefan1991)
Would you mind if the US executed British democracy activists? .

Democracy activists yes, but they dont do that, they execute animalistic terrorists, which no one has any problem with.

(Original post by Stefan1991)
I'd like to know where this evidence actually is... I only form my views based on the evidence. If there actually was credible evidence, for example a photograph of Bin Laden's shot corpse, an eyewitness who saw him or a signed confession he ordered 9/11, then I would change my views in an instant.

Until then I will regard anyone who's views are based on what some government spokesperson said without needing to question or see any real evidence, as a gullible moron. Good day.

Isnt this a typical crackpot frame of mind, deny the evidence that is on the table, but refuse to provide accurate evidence to refute? Effectively the mindset of a 4 year old, throws a tantrum but cant tell you why.

[Pindar]

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
SO why critisise americas past 'imperialist' policy (which it isnt) when muslim invaders have committed far worse attrocities in all muslim regions than the US?

No, it's "current" imperialistic policy. That happened 1000s of years ago, American imperialism has been happening for the last 100 years and is still happening now.

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
Surely the americans threatment of afganis yemese etc is better than muslim imperialists?

Is that meant to be some sort of sick joke?

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
Clearly you have no knwledge of how those regions became majority muslim in the first place - or indeed how various non -muslim minorities are treated even today.
Isnt 1000 years ago before bin ladens lifetime too - why wasnt he fighting to return all the lands his muslim saudi ancestors annexed? If you want to look to the past you can show that all these 'countries' were in better states before the muslims came. So US 'interference' can be seen as improving the situation.

He was...

The Muslim empire was one of the most advanced and prosperous societies in the world for many centuries.

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
lol

Still no proof? If you have all this proof why don't you just dismantle my argument in an instant? It would be so easy to say "here proof" and then I wouldn't have anything to say.

But you don't.

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
al quedas practice of self defence is bombing unarmed civilians - is it permitted in islamic law? And if you do so , do you not expect retalitation -before 9/11 ther were amillion more muslims still alive than 10 years after - shows what bin ladens priorites were, they were certianly not to protect life.

What is the proof Bin Laden had anything to do with 9/11?

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
His home wasnt pakistan, why was he there?Oh yeah because he murdered a bunch of office workers and then went on the run. Then thought it might be an idea to get women and children to stay with him to put the americans off dropping a bomb on his house.. Quite the hero

What is your proof that Bin Laden was there?

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
Only the tin foil hat retard doesnt know this -the rest of us know dna proof showed with 99.9 % acuracy it was bin laden, as well as account provided by the various witnesses, and the statement released by al queda subsequently. Have you seen any vidoes released by bin laden lately
Im still waiting to see all the evidnce you collected to disprove the above lol.

You can't prove a negative... that's impossible. How can I have evidence to refute your lack of evidence?

DNA proved it was Bin Laden? Have you seen this DNA evidence? Has it been shown to anyone? Is this completely based off what some government spokesperson claims? Thought so.

All the witnesses said it couldn't have been Bin Laden, considering they'd lived next door and walked past the house every day for the last 20 years...

Your basis that Al Qaeda said it was him is based off someone on someone claiming to be Al Qaeda on an internet forum... convincing

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
We do know and most moralistic people will agree he deserved worse than simply two bullets in his face and dumped into the sea. But thats what the americans afforded him. I odnt really care how we fight terorrists, as long as they are elimonated, they are the lowest form of cowardly scum on this planet.

IF he committed the crimes and it was proven in a court of law, he deserved to be locked up. Otherwise, what you're suggesting is some form of barbaric medieval punishment and revenge. Sounds like something a radical islamist would say.

And it seems strange that you call Bin Laden a coward. Single handedly trying to wage war against the most formidable force, powerful country and armed forces the world has ever known seems pretty ballsy to me...

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
You could suggest that at least those who have a 'cause' however idiotic, still fought their enemy face to face like men - instead of concinving retards to blow themselves and random people up, then running to hide in pakistan behind multiple wives.

So Bin Laden committed the crime of telling people to commit crime? You know, if you're told to jump off a cliff, you don't have to do it.

Just letting you know in case, in future.

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
Seems strange too pakistan denied it had terrorist training camps, till evidence came out about those too. Doesnt seem strange when you accept various muslim countries (and muslims as per this conversation) are in secret supportive of terrorism)

I'm not really surprised that Muslim countries secretly want to break away from US domination and oppression. Isn't that the same for all people? Whether muslim or not.

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
Then maybe they should stop breeding and harbouring terrorist scum. Look at the state of the place.

Well that might have something to do with the US installing the military dictator Musharraf and the assassination of Pakistan's last hope for democracy Benzir Bhutto.

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
Democracy activists yes, but they dont do that, they execute animalistic terrorists, which no one has any problem with.

Trying to dehumanise people fighting a political cause has never been the correct way to understand them. That is the work of propagandists.

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
Isnt this a typical crackpot frame of mind, deny the evidence that is on the table, but refuse to provide accurate evidence to refute? Effectively the mindset of a 4 year old, throws a tantrum but cant tell you why.

WHAT evidence?

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by Stefan1991)
No, it's "current" imperialistic policy. That happened 1000s of years ago, American imperialism has been happening for the last 100 years and is still happening now.

The Muslim empire was one of the most advanced and prosperous societies in the world for many centuries.

I dont think you have any clue about the history of that region- as your ignorance has already revealed - the muslims ruled with as much tyrrany as any other colonial power, killing hundreds of thousands and taxing the inhabitants of their invaded lands (Jizya) - Do the americans today force people to convert to chritianity, or tax those that dont under threat of rape and murder? Nope. Very 'advanced'- im glad where i live we arnt forced to suffer the same islamic 'advancement'


In fact american intervenion has taken countries like saudi and bahrain from desert farmers and shepherds to modern western style cities with an actual industry of value - oil. without any westerners there arabs would be back to living in tents selling dates and homous for 0 gdp like other musli coutires in the region - for which there isnt a massive billion dollar industry. So its the US , largley that puts food on the plates of muslims. If anything the americans have been too soft on the islamic influences in countries like saudi, as there are islamists element s there too, but at least the saudi authorities are forced to do some thing about islams nutcases unlike failed states like yemen and pakistan.

(Original post by Stefan1991)
Still no proof? If you have all this proof why don't you just dismantle my argument in an instant? It would be so easy to say "here proof" and then I wouldn't have anything to say.

Its all proof, but to the idiot that doesnt want to beleive the truth and concocts retarded conspiracy theories, it isnt acceptable. You have a forum to convince people otherwise- unfortunatly you are a massive fail.

(Original post by Stefan1991)

What is the proof Bin Laden had anything to do with 9/11?

The fact he headed al queda and al quedas involvment was all over 9/11 - amounsgt other incidents.

(Original post by Stefan1991)
What is your proof that Bin Laden was there?

i already listed it all. try reading

(Original post by Stefan1991)
You can't prove a negative... that's impossible. How can I have evidence to refute your lack of evidence?


DNA proved it was Bin Laden? Have you seen this DNA evidence? Has it been shown to anyone? Is this completely based off what some government spokesperson claims? Thought so.

So what founds your theory of the negative lol? did you ever personally witness a man in space? did you witness the 'quran' being revealed to Mohammed ? - without these evidences you can verify - you beleive both were made up, as per your statement

(Original post by Stefan1991)
All the witnesses said it couldn't have been Bin Laden, considering they'd lived next door and walked past the house every day for the last 20 years...

All witness didnt know eho lived in that house, the witness inside the house verified he was there. As did dna. Why ask for evidence if you dont want to beleive it. Show me something to the contrary if you are so sure lol

(Original post by Stefan1991)
Your basis that Al Qaeda said it was him is based off someone on someone claiming to be Al Qaeda on an internet forum... convincing

How many more videos has bin laden released since his death. Dont you think he would want to continue his 'defiance' to america by proving they failed to kill him? Maybe he will make a surprise appreance one day with elvis on MTV, is that what you are saying?

(Original post by Stefan1991)

IF he committed the crimes and it was proven in a court of law, he deserved to be locked up. Otherwise, what you're suggesting is some form of barbaric medieval punishment and revenge. Sounds like something a radical islamist would say.

Nope he deserved to be shot in the face.

(Original post by Stefan1991)
And it seems strange that you call Bin Laden a coward. Single handedly trying to wage war against the most formidable force, powerful country and armed forces the world has ever known seems pretty ballsy to me...

it seems strange that you would argue that bin laden had nothing to do with anything and was an innocent man living with his family - then claim he waged a war against america.

clealry he single handedly did nothing, he was good at convincing islamic retards that blowing themselves up on planes and trains while he sat in secure compounds hiding behind his wives and kids was a wise move for them. the promise of 72 virgins im sure was the deal-breaker. That is the architypal definition of a coward, and thats how history will remember him.

I know normal people wouldnt fall for that bull****, but we arnt talking about normal intelligent people here are we and im sure bin laden was aware of that.

(Original post by Stefan1991)

I'm not really surprised that Muslim countries secretly want to break away from US domination and oppression. Isn't that the same for all people? Whether muslim or not.

not really

(Original post by Stefan1991)
Well that might have something to do with the US installing the military dictator Musharraf and the assassination of Pakistan's last hope for democracy Benzir Bhutto.

so now all dictators are the creation of the US lol? i think youll find musharraf was a general that took power of his own accord ( as various others have done in pakistans history)

You might be interested to that pakistan based Al-queda were responsible for assassination of Bhutto too - are you trying to prove my points now that yours are falling apart?

(Original post by Stefan1991)

Trying to dehumanise people fighting a political cause has never been the correct way to understand them. That is the work of propagandists.

You cant de-humanise animals and there is no political cause - there is only retards running around killing civilians because of backward islamist doctrine floating around in their heads - If the US is committed to exterminating as many of these scumbags as possible im all for that - becuase ultimately we will all benefit from that policy.

[DorianGrayism]

(Original post by Stefan1991)
No, it's "current" imperialistic policy. That happened 1000s of years ago, American imperialism has been happening for the last 100 years and is still happening now.

Is that meant to be some sort of sick joke?

Well, really the last 60 years. It was British Imperial policy before that.

(Original post by Stefan1991)
The Muslim empire was one of the most advanced and prosperous societies in the world for many centuries.

Several Muslim Empires.

(Original post by Stefan1991)
What is the proof Bin Laden had anything to do with 9/11?

Well, they killed the leader of the Northern Alliance, the day before 9/11. Possibly to lessen the possibility of effective American retaliation or it could be coincidence.

Ignoring that issue. Bin Laden claimed he knew about it after he initially denied it. Though, I think he exaggerated his role for propaganda purposes.

The reality is that he probably had little to do with it and that is why he was never charged for it.

(Original post by Stefan1991)
You can't prove a negative... that's impossible. How can I have evidence to refute your lack of evidence?

DNA proved it was Bin Laden? Have you seen this DNA evidence? Has it been shown to anyone? Is this completely based off what some government spokesperson claims? Thought so.

All the witnesses said it couldn't have been Bin Laden, considering they'd lived next door and walked past the house every day for the last 20 years...

Your basis that Al Qaeda said it was him is based off someone on someone claiming to be Al Qaeda on an internet forum... convincing

Well, Bin Laden was there for only 8 years or so, not 20. Anyway, the house had huge walls surrounding it and Bin Laden didn't need to leave the compound. So I am not sure why you would think the next door neighbour would be to able to verify whether he was there or not.

Neither am I sure why you need the DNA evidence to be convinced he is dead. My friend died 2 years ago in India. I don't still believe that she is walking around because I didn't see her cremated or take a DNA sample.

Well, I don't think it was a random user that posted it. Anyway, the Taliban also confirmed it. The Jihadists have no problem believing it.

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(Original post by Stefan1991)
You "are" bare hard. Were you a retarded child?

Terrorist.

[Pindar]

(Original post by BusheSCFC)
Terrorist.

What does that mean?

[BusheSCFC]

(Original post by Stefan1991)
What does that mean?

Whatever you want it to mean.

[Pindar]

(Original post by BusheSCFC)
Whatever you want it to mean.

It doesn't mean anything. It's just Orwellian newspeak, a mantra that the ignorant masses repeat. Like you

[the bear]

(Original post by Stefan1991)
It doesn't mean anything. It's just Orwellian newspeak, a mantra that the ignorant masses repeat. Like you

mantram