Liverpool fans disrespect national anthem at Wembley

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Original post by Tom_Hagen

Are you high?

Are you stupid?

Reply 42

Organ

The reason I'm not especially drawn to the anthem or the establishment is that I associate it with a London-centric regime and a false 'last night at the proms' style bluster. I certainly don't associate it with the kind of England I can associate with or which gives a particular **** about me or mine. The economic engine now is undoubtedly London but it wasn't always so. Traditionally the North produced the wealth and the south owned it. It's a parasite.

Reply 43

OP

Original post by L18

LFC has always been a more socialist club than Everton, that's why.

And turn the 'more scousers' **** in. Theres so many Everton fans in Liverpool you can't sell out your stadium. Makes sense.

Because they don't have a massive gloryhunting fanbase like your club does.

Reply 44

Stiff Little Fingers

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In fairness, they didn't do it all that well.

[video="youtube;gpidR_8ZwZM"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpidR_8ZwZM[/video]

Now that's how it should have been done.

Reply 45

Organ

Anyone with half an interest wants to look at the history of Liverpool and it's massive contribution to the country and then look at how it and it's been treated and its people portrayed over the past four decades. They moan about being shafted all the time (Rip off Britain etc.), but when anyone stands up for themselves they're "self pitying". I'll tell you something for nothing now. If Hillsborough would have happened to a London club, there's no ****ing way its victims and their families would be still seeking justice 23 years on - oh and those parasites who inhabit their palaces might have got off their arses and attended a service in the aftermath. God Save the Queen? They can **** right off as far as I'm concerned.

Reply 46

martin jol

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liverpool fans, classy as always.

Reply 47

Mighty Moe

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Original post by TRS-T

Why am I not surprised :rolleyes:

Probably because it's well known that most teams derive support from outside, as well as within their local area. If you were surprised to find a Liverpool fan outside of Liverpool or a Chelsea fan who doesn't live in Chelsea you'd be very naive.

Reply 48

Organ

Original post by martin jol

liverpool fans, classy as always.

As opposed to the England fans who boo other people's anthems. Even countries like Sweden :rolleyes:

It's amazing that the Irish can politely applaud GSTQ at Croke Park, yet a not insignificant number of the English fan contingent cannot contain themselves in booing their opponents anthems...

No, you boo another Anthem on nothing more than, it isn't yours. Perhaps an England fan can make a (ridiculous) argument for booing the German or French national anthem, but the Dutch national anthem is booed, the Swedish national anthem is booed. That is booing another nations national anthem because they are not English. That is disrespectful.

Booing your own isn't because it is down to a variety of reasons, not reactionary, whilst you may not agree, and you may think they are wrong, it isn't disrespectful. But there are reasons behind it being booed. You can't escape the fact that there were sections of the government who were prepared to let the City rot, and more or less every team continues to sing about 'liverpool slums' and their latest little ditty 'Always the victims'!

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Reply 49

TomDixie

Original post by Mighty Moe

Probably because it's well known that most teams derive support from outside, as well as within their local area. If you were surprised to find a Liverpool fan outside of Liverpool or a Chelsea fan who doesn't live in Chelsea you'd be very naive.

If someone says it runs in their family and at some point some ancestor of theirs came from Liverpool then fair enough.

However, you can be assured that the hardcore Scouse Kopites intensely dislike their armchair out of towners support.

Reply 50

Mess.

Original post by TomDixie

If someone says it runs in their family and at some point some ancestor of theirs came from Liverpool then fair enough.

However, you can be assured that the hardcore Scouse Kopites intensely dislike their armchair out of towners support.

And tbph they are idiots to do so.

Reply 51

TomDixie

Original post by Mess.

And tbph they are idiots to do so.

I disagree.

You get a group of people who identify strongly with their local club, thus attending every home fixture and creating a unique culture - that is tribal - which is built up over many decades. Of course they're going to dislike people who have nothing to do with Liverpool trying to jump on the bandwagon.

Unfortunately it's the way of modern football.

Reply 52

TheDefiniteArticle

Although I'd like to say 'good on them', I can't help but feel that they did it for all the wrong reasons. They were at a football game after all.

Reply 53

Mess.

Original post by TomDixie

I disagree.

You get a group of people who identify strongly with their local club, thus attending every home fixture and creating a unique culture - that is tribal - which is built up over many decades. Of course they're going to dislike people who have nothing to do with Liverpool trying to jump on the bandwagon.

Unfortunately it's the way of modern football.

It isn't the way of modern football, it is the way of society and it always has been. People want to attatch themselves to success and feel like they are a part of it, the tribal nature of football means that generall when a club is successful at a certain point then people of a certain age become supporters of that club for the rest of their lives, most of the time passing it on to their children.
Every club since about the 50's and probably before that has been the most successful of their time has brought in supporters from all over the world, which brings in money, which allows those teams to cement their position at the top of the tree barring a catastrophe.

Yes it is great when you have local supporters who identify with a club, this happens with every club, especially the big clubs but it is also great to have people not from the city want to be associated with that club and therefore bring in the revenue to allow the club to actually be a success.

Tbph, even in Liverpool the split probably isn't 50/50, judging from personal experience only there seems to be a lot more Liverpool fans than Everton fans about :dontknow:

but that isn't a petty argument I want to get in to as it is purely anecdotal.

Edit: And there are a significant amount of Norweigan supporters of Liverpool who have season tickets and fly over for every single game. They are from out of town but manage to ingratiate themselves within the culture of the club.

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Reply 54

OP

Original post by Mess.

And tbph they are idiots to do so.

Gloryhunting is bad for football.

It's robbing from the poor and giving to the rich.

Reply 55

Mess.

Original post by TRS-T

Gloryhunting is bad for football.

It's robbing from the poor and giving to the rich.

Well at what level is one allowed to support a specific club under your rules? Do you have to support the exact closest team to your house? Where you were born? Where you grew up? Do they have to be professional? Semi? Amateur?

Then you have the situation where clubs that are the single club in a massive area will still pull in massive revenue compared to other clubs and their dominance will be assured forever. Then you have the issue of football not having the same international pull as it currently does, which means there will be less money, it won't be on tv as much, the players who play won't be coached as well, a lot of people won't see it as a viable career so you may miss out on players like Messi.

Then what about the players? If you can only support your local club, are people only allowed to play for their local club?

Reply 56

TomDixie

Original post by Mess.

It isn't the way of modern football, it is the way of society and it always has been. People want to attatch themselves to success and feel like they are a part of it, the tribal nature of football means that generall when a club is successful at a certain point then people of a certain age become supporters of that club for the rest of their lives, most of the time passing it on to their children.
Every club since about the 50's and probably before that has been the most successful of their time has brought in supporters from all over the world, which brings in money, which allows those teams to cement their position at the top of the tree barring a catastrophe.

Yes it is great when you have local supporters who identify with a club, this happens with every club, especially the big clubs but it is also great to have people not from the city want to be associated with that club and therefore bring in the revenue to allow the club to actually be a success.

Tbph, even in Liverpool the split probably isn't 50/50, judging from personal experience only there seems to be a lot more Liverpool fans than Everton fans about :dontknow:

but that isn't a petty argument I want to get in to as it is purely anecdotal.

Edit: And there are a significant amount of Norweigan supporters of Liverpool who have season tickets and fly over for every single game. They are from out of town but manage to ingratiate themselves within the culture of the club.

They haven't managed to fully ingratiate themselves with all of the hardcore local fans. I feel sorry for proper Liverpool fans to an extent, but it's the unfortunate price of a sustained period of success.

And with regards to the split in Liverpool, I've lived here my whole life and I believe it is genuinely 50/50 within the city as a whole, with there being a bit of a divide between North Liverpool/South Liverpool being Everton/Liverpool respectively.

Also, with regards to who people should support. At no point did I choose to support Everton.

However, if you do ever make a choice it should be based on only two things to give you any legitimacy as a fan. Obviously there may be some leeway in specific individual cases :wink:

1) Location
2) Family member

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