[tkane]

(Original post by oomzee)
Thanks for the info! what were your previous qualifications before you did the LM course?

So far, I have 8 GCSE's, a BTEC in applied sciences and i been studying aerospace engineering, until i dropped out earlier this year.

in your opinion, do i have a chance compared to other potential students? I'm really stressing out that they will say no because i "unoffically" dropped out of kingston.

x

Chance for what? Legal Method? Yes absolutely.

If you're referring to unis, it depends on your early performance on Legal Method (as your tutor will base their prediction and reference on this), Personal Statement and LNAT performance.

[Wahala]

seriously don't stress yourself, Birkbeck take anyone on the course some barely speak English, how they expect them to handle the convoluted language of English law is beyond me. Same goes for their LLB.

& if you want more than the standard generic reference (probably a bit too late now if you are looking to start in Oct.), you could apply for a stand alone legal module the term before...friend of mine did this & got a distinction 85%. She had the same tutor again for Legal Methods so the tutor was able to write a personalised reference for her.

[oomzee]

(Original post by tkane)
Chance for what? Legal Method? Yes absolutely.

If you're referring to unis, it depends on your early performance on Legal Method (as your tutor will base their prediction and reference on this), Personal Statement and LNAT performance.

(Original post by Wahala)
seriously don't stress yourself, Birkbeck take anyone on the course some barely speak English, how they expect them to handle the convoluted language of English law is beyond me. Same goes for their LLB.

& if you want more than the standard generic reference (probably a bit too late now if you are looking to start in Oct.), you could apply for a stand alone legal module the term before...friend of mine did this & got a distinction 85%. She had the same tutor again for Legal Methods so the tutor was able to write a personalised reference for her.

hi, im actaully just finishing the written assesment and there is a question i dont understand at all...could you please try and rephrase it for me,

"what do you think the benefits and dangers of using public policy are when making decisions about criminal liability"

thanks xx

[Norton1]

(Original post by oomzee)
hi, im actaully just finishing the written assesment and there is a question i dont understand at all...could you please try and rephrase it for me,

"what do you think the benefits and dangers of using public policy are when making decisions about criminal liability"

thanks xx

Public policy is effectively taking account of wider societal issues when considering individual legal cases. For example there's a famous case in jurisprudence where a murderer was denied an inheritance from the victim, partly on the grounds of public policy in that allowing the inheritance might be thought to encourage murder.

[oomzee]

(Original post by Norton1)
Public policy is effectively taking account of wider societal issues when considering individual legal cases. For example there's a famous case in jurisprudence where a murderer was denied an inheritance from the victim, partly on the grounds of public policy in that allowing the inheritance might be thought to encourage murder.

thank you!

so would it be fair to say, that public policy is based more on the principals which protect society? (this is not a qustion on the assesment paper... i just wanted to be more clear lol)

[Norton1]

(Original post by oomzee)
thank you!

so would it be fair to say, that public policy is based more on the principals which protect society? (this is not a qustion on the assesment paper... i just wanted to be more clear lol)

Yeah, that'd do. Of course, the principles that protect society in the view of old, white and male judges.

[oomzee]

(Original post by Norton1)
Yeah, that'd do. Of course, the principles that protect society in the view of old, white and male judges.

lol thanks hun x

[LiLix]

Hi,
I have been accepted on to the Birkbeck course and I'm wondering whether any one has enrolled yet? I was told enrollment would be around May? But after contracting Birkbeck I was told there was a technical problem :\ Or am I the only one lol

[oomzee]

(Original post by LiLix)
Hi,
I have been accepted on to the Birkbeck course and I'm wondering whether any one has enrolled yet? I was told enrollment would be around May? But after contracting Birkbeck I was told there was a technical problem :\ Or am I the only one lol

hi there, i just finished and sent off my application about a week or so ago, hopefully they will get back tome soon and accept me onto the course...i think i would die if i wasn't accepted. im stressing out so much over it

[LiLix]

(Original post by oomzee)
hi there, i just finished and sent off my application about a week or so ago, hopefully they will get back tome soon and accept me onto the course...i think i would die if i wasn't accepted. im stressing out so much over it

Ahhhh really? Ermmm I'm pretty sure you should be fine! But let me know what happens! And also they took a while to reply to my application so I shouldn't be too worried as yet


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[oomzee]

(Original post by Wahala)
seriously don't stress yourself, Birkbeck take anyone on the course some barely speak English, how they expect them to handle the convoluted language of English law is beyond me. Same goes for their LLB.

& if you want more than the standard generic reference (probably a bit too late now if you are looking to start in Oct.), you could apply for a stand alone legal module the term before...friend of mine did this & got a distinction 85%. She had the same tutor again for Legal Methods so the tutor was able to write a personalised reference for her.

hey did you do the course? x

[Wahala]

(Original post by oomzee)
hey did you do the course? x

No, I did the crash version of it & some other legal modules which have since been scrapped due to funding cuts.

[oomzee]

(Original post by Wahala)
No, I did the crash version of it & some other legal modules which have since been scrapped due to funding cuts.

ohh, so are you still studying the course, or have you moved onto a degree?

[oomzee]

(Original post by admbeatmaker)
No problem, it's a pleasure to help someone who is in a similar situation to me last year.

I'm still at Birkbeck, still finishing the course. We've about 5 weeks left that consists of two essays and mooting presentation (where you present an argument in a case, kind of like being a lawyer in court).

After getting good marks in my assessments I've been able to secure a few offers , all being at top 20 universities. I'm going to be off to York to stud their law programme in October. I'm looking forward to it!

Where do you hope the Birkbeck course will take you?

(Original post by GStevens)
I'll add to adm and eve's posts, I also did the Birkbeck Legal Method. I was invited for interview at Oxford (computer said no) and have an unconditional offer to UCL for this Sept. I would definitely say go for the Legal Method, definitely potential for offers from top unis.

Don't worry too much about previous qualifications, as a mature student the unis will be looking at your results on the LM Cert, references and personal statement, they expect mature students to have non standard academic histories. You'll need a distinction if you want the top choices and you need to check minimum required qualifications. For example UCL require a Maths GCSE at B, Oxford just a C. If you don't have them you could probably do them in the same year as your LM Cert. I think UCL will also require a language qualification from next year.

Good luck.

hey, just a quick question, How long after you applied did birbeck get back to you? It's been three weeks since i applied, and on their website it said that they usually reply within 2 weeks. Im getting quite worried now :/

thanks guys xx

[admbeatmaker]

(Original post by oomzee)
hey, just a quick question, How long after you applied did birbeck get back to you? It's been three weeks since i applied, and on their website it said that they usually reply within 2 weeks. Im getting quite worried now :/

thanks guys xx

I'm sure this is nothing to worry about. I'd imagine a fair few people are submitting applications right now. I've just finished the course so I would image they're also starting to get students' marks together for the final grade confirmations very soon.

You'll get something within a few weeks. I know that in March last year when I applied it took about 6 weeks (if I remember correctly) to get something back from my application. I'm sure you'll have no problem in getting a place on the course.

[oomzee]

(Original post by admbeatmaker)
I'm sure this is nothing to worry about. I'd imagine a fair few people are submitting applications right now. I've just finished the course so I would image they're also starting to get students' marks together for the final grade confirmations very soon.

You'll get something within a few weeks. I know that in March last year when I applied it took about 6 weeks (if I remember correctly) to get something back from my application. I'm sure you'll have no problem in getting a place on the course.

thanks for the kind words... generally speaking, is it hard to get onto the course?
would you say that they reject alot of people? thanks x

[admbeatmaker]

(Original post by oomzee)
thanks for the kind words... generally speaking, is it hard to get onto the course?
would you say that they reject alot of people? thanks x

I'd, perhaps, say it isn't hard to get onto the course. I couldn't offer any on advice on whether they reject many. But if I had to give an estimate, I really don't think they reject many because the numbers drop quite fast because it really isn't an easy course. It's just not suitable for those who are not fluent in the language and also do not have a good command of the language.

[oomzee]

(Original post by admbeatmaker)
I'd, perhaps, say it isn't hard to get onto the course. I couldn't offer any on advice on whether they reject many. But if I had to give an estimate, I really don't think they reject many because the numbers drop quite fast because it really isn't an easy course. It's just not suitable for those who are not fluent in the language and also do not have a good command of the language.

Thanks for answering, Were there foreign students there? and were they the ones to leave due to the lack of knowledge of the full English language? or did you find that home and abroad students left in equal numbers? Also, Im quite suprised they would leave... I'm sure it's a good course to do since you got into York and others have gotten into other great uni's also.

[GStevens]

(Original post by oomzee)
Thanks for answering, Were there foreign students there? and were they the ones to leave due to the lack of knowledge of the full English language? or did you find that home and abroad students left in equal numbers? Also, Im quite suprised they would leave... I'm sure it's a good course to do since you got into York and others have gotten into other great uni's also.

On my course there was a mix. Some students were, how can I put this politely, not academically inclined.

Others may well have had the ability but seemed to think that the course consisted only of the 3 hours once a week. they would arrive not having done any of the reading or work. We were glad to see them go, they wasted everyone's time with questions that they would have known the answers to if they had done their home work.

Others were obviously capable, one already had a law degree from Afghanistan, but couldn't maintain the required pace because of poor language skills. If you can't understand the tutor, or can't be easily understood by him and your classmates, then you are going to struggle. You will also be causing problems for other people who will not thank you for it.

The people who left were a mix of the lazy, the ignorant and those with poor English skills.

You don't need to speak English like a native, you can get by with the same level of English as your average Brummie, but you do need to be more fluent than just being able to order food.

The course is worthwhile, and well regarded externally, but if you doubt your language skills then perhaps you would be better polishing them up and applying next year. You do need to be realistic about the workload, you can probably pass with very little but people like admbeatmaker and Eve got good offers because they put in the hours and achieved Distinctions.

Good luck, don't worry about the delay or getting in, Birkbeck are very easy to access, just don't assume that easy access means the course is dumbed down, it's not.

ps if your spoken English is at the standard of your written English then I doubt you will have a problem.

[oomzee]

(Original post by GStevens)
On my course there was a mix. Some students were, how can I put this politely, not academically inclined.

Others may well have had the ability but seemed to think that the course consisted only of the 3 hours once a week. they would arrive not having done any of the reading or work. We were glad to see them go, they wasted everyone's time with questions that they would have known the answers to if they had done their home work.

Others were obviously capable, one already had a law degree from Afghanistan, but couldn't maintain the required pace because of poor language skills. If you can't understand the tutor, or can't be easily understood by him and your classmates, then you are going to struggle. You will also be causing problems for other people who will not thank you for it.

The people who left were a mix of the lazy, the ignorant and those with poor English skills.

You don't need to speak English like a native, you can get by with the same level of English as your average Brummie, but you do need to be more fluent than just being able to order food.

The course is worthwhile, and well regarded externally, but if you doubt your language skills then perhaps you would be better polishing them up and applying next year. You do need to be realistic about the workload, you can probably pass with very little but people like admbeatmaker and Eve got good offers because they put in the hours and achieved Distinctions.

Good luck, don't worry about the delay or getting in, Birkbeck are very easy to access, just don't assume that easy access means the course is dumbed down, it's not.

ps if your spoken English is at the standard of your written English then I doubt you will have a problem.

oh wow, such an in depth response, thank you : ) xx