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Jesus forgiving sin is unjust to Victim.

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    Jesus forgiving sin is unjust to Victim.

    Sin, by it’s very nature must have a victim. Without a victim, there is no sin.

    The one sinned against has the first right of forgiveness.

    If Jesus usurps that right then I think it would be unjust.

    Closure is being denied the victim thus victimizing is twofold.

    Jesus would not condone such a thing.

    Secular law now demands a victim assessment report before sentence is given.

    To think that Jesus would ignore this requirement is unthinkable.

    This means that, “Why have you forsaken me? “, is answered by God with; because what you do is immoral. You deny the victim her or his rights. It is also unjust to punish the innocent instead of the guilty. In fact, that notion is insane.

    In the scenario shown here the victim is ignored thus showing the flaw in the judge’s ruling, if he accepts substitutionary atonement.

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    Your first 2 sentences are wrong.

    Watching porn is a sin.....who is the victim?
    Swearing is a sin...who is the victim?

    Fail thread/
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    (Original post by .eXe)
    Your first 2 sentences are wrong.

    Watching porn is a sin.....who is the victim?
    Swearing is a sin...who is the victim?

    Fail thread/
    The victim of porn is usually the woman (or Man) and yourself.
    Swearing - the people around you who hear you swear (Including God)
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    (Original post by zuqqer)
    The victim of porn is usually the woman, and yourself.
    Swearing - the people around you who hear you swear (Including God)
    Um no that's gibberish, how is the women the victim? Porn =/= rape. Also, how are you a victim? Watching porn gives you pleasure....hardly seems like you are being victimized.

    Secondly, no they aren't victims either. Hearing somethign bad doesn't make you a victim...what are you...5? And did you just tell me God is a victim? Seriously grasping are we?
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    (Original post by Greatest I am)
    Sin, by it’s very nature must have a victim. Without a victim, there is no sin.
    Umm no. Unless you count God not liking it as "victimhood".
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    (Original post by .eXe)
    Um no that's gibberish, how is the women the victim? Porn =/= rape. Also, how are you a victim? Watching porn gives you pleasure....hardly seems like you are being victimized.

    Secondly, no they aren't victims either. Hearing somethign bad doesn't make you a victim...what are you...5? And did you just tell me God is a victim? Seriously grasping are we?
    The women in porn are not raped, but they are victims. I think you'll find if you do some research that most women are not in it because they enjoy it.
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    (Original post by zuqqer)
    The women in porn are not raped, but they are victims. I think you'll find if you do some research that most women are not in it because they enjoy it.
    I bet all those cashiers in McDonalds love their job too.

    They aren't victims though.
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    (Original post by OMGWTFBBQ)
    I bet all those cashiers in McDonalds love their job too.

    They aren't victims though.
    Serving burgers isn't the same as being done up the ass.
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    (Original post by .eXe)
    Your first 2 sentences are wrong.

    Watching porn is a sin.....who is the victim?
    The woman whose eyes are glazed over because she's been inhaling poppers so she can't feel the artificial erection that's pounding her rectum.

    OP: You're not just sinning against the person who's affected by your sin, you're also sinning against God, and as Jesus is God, he can forgive you. QED. :plz2:
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    (Original post by zuqqer)
    Serving burgers isn't the same as being done up the ass.
    It's about as much fun.
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    (Original post by Addzter)
    The woman whose eyes are glazed over because she's been inhaling poppers so she can't feel the artificial erection that's pounding her rectum.

    OP: You're not just sinning against the person who's affected by your sin, you're also sinning against God, and as Jesus is God, he can forgive you. QED. :plz2:
    yes because every single porn video ever made is exactly like that...abused, coked up women being pounded against their own will.

    Go google "hasty generalization" then come back and tell me what you have learned.
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    (Original post by OMGWTFBBQ)
    It's about as much fun.
    Except you're not being done up the ass.
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    (Original post by .eXe)
    yes because every single porn video ever made is exactly like that...abused, coked up women being pounded against their own will.

    Go google "hasty generalization" then come back and tell me what you have learned.
    Most women in porn probably had their vaginas molested by male family members when they were young, though.
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    (Original post by .eXe)
    yes because every single porn video ever made is exactly like that...abused, coked up women being pounded against their own will.

    Go google "hasty generalization" then come back and tell me what you have learned.
    Yeah I agree, there are porn stars who just do it because they enjoy it, but they're probably in the minority though.
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    (Original post by Addzter)
    Most women in porn probably had their vaginas molested by male family members when they were young, though.
    Bad (and wrong) assumption. Most porn stars do it for the money. Quite a simple fact and NO that is not abuse.

    (Original post by zuqqer)
    Yeah I agree, there are porn starts who just do it because they enjoy it, but they're probably in the minority though.
    Again, assumption. Please don't assume this and try to argue everything based on a giant assumption. Porn stars do it for the money, it's a very well known fact. Sure, there are abused women I am not denying that, but it's them who are the minority.
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    (Original post by .eXe)
    Bad (and wrong) assumption. Most porn stars do it for the money. Quite a simple fact and NO that is not abuse.
    I'm pretty sure most women do porn because their vaginas were touched against their will when they were young. Wasn't there a study on this in the journal Nature? BUT HEY, don't let me put you off masturbating.
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    (Original post by Addzter)
    I'm pretty sure most women do porn because their vaginas were touched against their will when they were young. Wasn't there a study on this in the journal Nature? BUT HEY, don't let me put you off masturbating.
    Ah borderline ad hominem.

    You argument makes no sense, I have shown you that quite clearly and now you have resorted to assuming that I masturbate. I am a Christian and I assure you that I do not I was merely arguing WHY masturbation would be wrong, under the original premise (which I do not agree with) that every sin has a victim, and masturbation quite obviously does not and yet is a sin.

    If you cannot argue well, that's okay, no big deal. I've enjoyed reading your nonsense arguments on this thread
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    Lol how this has turned into a conversation about porn.
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    (Original post by PapaShmurff)
    Lol how this has turned into a conversation about porn.
    Haha yes because the entirepremise of the thread is just absurd.

    I especially love how the TS started the thread...saw the reactions and never posted again :facepalm2:
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    My friend, you will sing a different song when you become the sinner and the world shouts for your punishment^^

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