[pink pineapple]

Rencently, I've come across a lot of threads on here about how Labour 'destroyed our country'. Yes, they may have not made the country exactly brilliant but then people go on to say how they will only vote Conservative. But in reality, how have the Conservatives actually tried changed our for entirely for the better, except from cutting public services as an assumption that everything in the future will be perfect. Also, I really dislike the stereotype on here of the typical Labour voter e.g under-class, on the dole etc as I don't believe it to be true.

[Brandmon]

I don't think TSR is particularly pro-conservative. Just that certain opinions are louder at certain threads and at certain times. I am pretty certain that there were some right wingers complaining that there are too many left wingers not long ago.

In any case, the lower orders clearly have no access to the internet, or else it would just be a nastier place, what what what.

[marcusfox]

(Original post by pink pineapple)
Rencently, I've come across a lot of threads on here about how Labour 'destroyed our country'. Yes, they may have not made the country exactly brilliant but then people go on to say how they will only vote Conservative. But in reality, how have the Conservatives actually tried changed our for entirely for the better, except from cutting public services as an assumption that everything in the future will be perfect. Also, I really dislike the stereotype on here of the typical Labour voter e.g under-class, on the dole etc as I don't believe it to be true.

The demographic here are usually students aged 16+

Those with anti-Conservative opinions will have gotten them from their parents, and are probably way to young to see the damage done by Old Labour over 30 years ago.

No matter the failures of Labour in the past 13 years, it's actually the fault of year zero Maggie Thatcher. All they hear about is miners this and miners that.

Those with pro-Conservative opinions will probably have seen for themselves the results of the Labour government over the past few years and Labour is all they know. Anyone whose only experience of politics is living through that would be put off Labour for life.

[najinaji]

There're two things I can say to that. For one, variety of opinion is good. On TSR, I have seen hard-line communists and near-fascists, and everything inbetween. I like that. It's certainly a different picture to that shown in the media, which appears now to favour 'liberal' leftist ideological homogeneity. Secondly, while I disagree that most Labour voters are chavs (I very much doubt that most chavs vote), those that benefit most from a Labour government definitely do fit into that category. Most people who vote for the Labour party tend to be your regular working class person or your typical Guardianista.

[Sdiff]

I vote conservative because every time Labour get into power they wreck the economy. As well as the mess we're in today, the previous Labour government required an IMF bailout.

As well as that, I believe in power to the individual over the state and don't want a Labour nanny state.

[david2457]

(Original post by Brandmon)
I don't think TSR is particularly pro-conservative. Just that certain opinions are louder at certain threads and at certain times. I am pretty certain that there were some right wingers complaining that there are too many left wingers not long ago.

In any case, the lower orders clearly have no access to the internet, or else it would just be a nastier place, what what what.

Yeah, i think there was a poll recently and showed more people on the left than on thr right in TSR. Some people even change from experiences.

[pink pineapple]

(Original post by david2457)
Yeah, i think there was a poll recently and showed more people on the left than on thr right in TSR. Some people even change from experiences.

strange. I just seem to see a lot of threads around bashing those on the left.

[beepbeeprichie]

I'm only pro-Tory because it is the best way to oppose the most vile ignorant multicultural anti-civil liberties party in the UK (Labour).

[david2457]

(Original post by marcusfox)
The demographic here are usually students aged 16+

Those with anti-Conservative opinions will have gotten them from their parents, and are probably way to young to see the damage done by Old Labour over 30 years ago.

No matter the failures of Labour in the past 13 years, it's actually the fault of year zero Maggie Thatcher. All they hear about is miners this and miners that.

Those with pro-Conservative opinions will probably have seen for themselves the results of the Labour government over the past few years and Labour is all they know. Anyone whose only experience of politics is living through that would be put off Labour for life.

Agree with what you say, especially about miners and maggie hehe, would rep but have none left.

(Original post by pink pineapple)
strange. I just seem to see a lot of threads around bashing those on the left.

It seems that sometimes the ones on the right have a harder voice and are more agressive (from my experience seems to be the nationalists). But if you look in other places the left are also quite well heard.

[patrickinator]

(Original post by marcusfox)
The demographic here are usually students aged 16+

Those with anti-Conservative opinions will have gotten them from their parents, and are probably way to young to see the damage done by Old Labour over 30 years ago.

No matter the failures of Labour in the past 13 years, it's actually the fault of year zero Maggie Thatcher. All they hear about is miners this and miners that.

Those with pro-Conservative opinions will probably have seen for themselves the results of the Labour government over the past few years and Labour is all they know. Anyone whose only experience of politics is living through that would be put off Labour for life.

thank you for pointing this out. You will be very unpopular but it is so true. Most pro-conservatives generally think for themselves and research whereas labourites have been told by their parents what to think.

anyways, UKIP

[goape]

(Original post by marcusfox)
Those with anti-Conservative opinions may have gotten them from their parents.

Those with pro-Conservative opinions equally may have gotten them from their parents.

Fixed.

HINT: How many pro-Conservatives are there from low-income backgrounds? How many anti-Conservatives are there from high-income backgrounds?

[pink pineapple]

(Original post by patrickinator)
thank you for pointing this out. You will be very unpopular but it is so true. Most pro-conservatives generally think for themselves and research whereas labourites have been told by their parents what to think.

anyways, UKIP

I don't think that's necessarily true to say conservatives 'think for themselves' and Labourites 'have been told what to think' as anyone could believe something said to them, Conservative or Labour policies.

[marcusfox]

(Original post by goape)
Fixed.

HINT: How many pro-Conservatives are there from low-income backgrounds? How many anti-Conservatives are there from high-income backgrounds?

http://www.beacon-dodsworth.co.uk/up...2-brochure.pdf

Groups that tend to support Conservatives:

A01. Worldly Horizons
A06. Ripened Success
D13. Established Couples
D14. Multicultural Families
D15. Skilled Workers
F16. Asseted Greys
F20. Mature Mobility
J27. Limited Labour

Groups that tend to support Liberal Democrats:

F10. Richer Retired
F16. Asseted Greys
G17. Aspiring Streets
G19. Cohabiting Suburbs
H22. Students in the Community

Groups that tend to support Labour:

K29. Blue Collar Elders
M39. lmpoverished Elders
M38. Hard to Let

http://www.beacon-dodsworth.co.uk/bl...-demographics/

[goape]

(Original post by marcusfox)
http://www.beacon-dodsworth.co.uk/up...2-brochure.pdf

Groups that tend to support Conservatives:

A01. Worldly Horizons
A06. Ripened Success
D13. Established Couples
D14. Multicultural Families
D15. Skilled Workers
F16. Asseted Greys
F20. Mature Mobility
J27. Limited Labour

Groups that tend to support Liberal Democrats:

F10. Richer Retired
F16. Asseted Greys
G17. Aspiring Streets
G19. Cohabiting Suburbs
H22. Students in the Community

Groups that tend to support Labour:

K29. Blue Collar Elders
M39. lmpoverished Elders
M38. Hard to Let

http://www.beacon-dodsworth.co.uk/bl...-demographics/

The groups in the Conservative list are more likely to have wealthy parents, the groups in your Labour list are more likely to have unwealthy parents.

So the groups in the Conservative list are more likely to have got their Conservative views from their parents, the groups in the Labour list are more likely to have got their Labour views from their parents.

Basically reinforcing my point.

LOL at some of the category names btw.

[That Bearded Man]

Some stand by the "Labour ruined the economy" and say they should never get back in to power again. Some believe privatisation is the only way forward, some believe Milliband would be a hopeless PM.

I personally prefer the, "I don't want my country run by a bunch of Tories"

[Guygp]

I'm not particularly pro-conservative, or against labour. My problem with labour at the moment, are their constant criticism of the tories for their policies, yet they either have no other solution or they offer a very similar or a watered down version which would possibly prolong the 'pain' or difficulty.
It's all bitching rather than labour or anyone else talking about what they would do instead. It's boring.

[marcusfox]

(Original post by goape)
The groups in the Conservative list are more likely to have wealthy parents, the groups in your Labour list are more likely to have unwealthy parents.

So the groups in the Conservative list are more likely to have got their Conservative views from their parents, the groups in the Labour list are more likely to have got their Labour views from their parents.

Basically reinforcing my point.

LOL at some of the category names btw.

Many will get their views from their parents and lifestyle, I would agree. Many will attempt to make up their own minds, look at the Liberal Democrat student vote based on an economic plan so secret it couldn't be delivered until after the election!!

It doesn't take anything away from the fact that most of those on TSR who are making up their own mind will have had no personal experience of living under a Conservative government that they would be old enough to remember, since Labour were elected in 1997, which was 15 years ago, and not many people under the age of 10 are interested or aware of politics, so they'd have to be 25 at least.

Those under 25 who make up their own mind to vote Conservative see through the last Labour government for what it was.

Those under 25 who make up their own mind to vote Labour in spite of Labour's failure, and no doubt it was a failure, can only be relying on two years of economic pain due to that prior failure, and horror stories of nasty Tories from the 80s. Where are they hearing these stories? I call it the 'Year Zero' effect of Maggie. Before that there was nothing, then suddenly this big bang and all history began with Maggie came to power. There was no Old Labour and no IMF bailout except in mythology.

New Labour left the country a trillion pounds in debt.

Yes Labour always gives to the poor, but it always gives what it can't afford.

Yes Labour are the nice guys treating us all to sweeties.

Yes the Tories are always nasty bastards for facing up to financial reality.

Yes there will always be those that favor Labour because Labour tells them what they want to hear.

Truth is, leaving the country a trillion pounds in debt is about as nasty as it gets, and when you factor in that it's not immediately apparent what it was exactly that we got in turn for all that spending, Labour comes across no better than a bunch of Mafia racketeers.

[Martyn*]

Most of these pro-Cons are aged between 19-25. They are incredibly naieve.

[chefdave]

Probably because New Labour are so unspeakably dreadful. If you're a public sector worker, a recent immigrant or on benefits I can totally understand why you'd vote Labour, but anyone voting for them out of ideological reasons needs their heads checked in my honest opinion. Look at Tony Blair: a multi-millionaire champagne socialist who jumped aboard JP Morgan Chase as soon as he left office, he sums up everything that's wrong with New Labour.

[Spatial_Void]

What's funny is that, these "Labour 'destroyed our country'" threads are 90% likely to be Otkem's threads.