[cl_steele]

because miliband is a socialist twerp who will sail HMS Great Britain up **** creek and then proceed to burn the paddles.

[TheDefiniteArticle]

Admittedly New Labour is terrible, but I think the reason is that people genuinely believe those that earn more have 'worked harder' for their money, when in fact the difference is often due to a difference in opportunities and luck.

[Rainingshame]

(Original post by Sdiff)
I vote conservative because every time Labour get into power they wreck the economy. As well as the mess we're in today, the previous Labour government required an IMF bailout.

As well as that, I believe in power to the individual over the state and don't want a Labour nanny state.

Every time ANYONE gets into power for a prolonged period of time something goes bad, the longer you're in power the more likely it is to happen. Plus it's not Labours fault that the Americans got reckless just as it isn't he Conservatives fault the Europeans were even more reckless.
Personally I'm a Labour supporter mainly because it's the closest thing we have to a mainstream socialist party. If Old labour were in power I'd vote for them as they were socialists.

[L i b]

Speaking as a Tory, I don't agree at all with this stereotype that Labour supporters are somehow conditioned into it by their parents whilst Conservatives are not. There are clever and daft supporters on each side.

[Ocassus]

(Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
Admittedly New Labour is terrible, but I think the reason is that people genuinely believe those that earn more have 'worked harder' for their money, when in fact the difference is often due to a difference in opportunities and luck.

Yes but then everything ever is defined by 'luck' in that case, because it is possible to then extrapolate 'luck' into a fatalistic interpretation of the Universe.

It actually ends up justifying obscene wealth because of delusions of 'destiny' etcetera.

[Fynch101]

OP, given that you're still a sixth former, I can guarantee your political scope will transform beyond belief over the next 3 years, providing you maintain an interest in politics. At your age you should be focusing on listening, not talking.

[Rainingshame]

(Original post by goape)
The groups in the Conservative list are more likely to have wealthy parents, the groups in your Labour list are more likely to have unwealthy parents.

So the groups in the Conservative list are more likely to have got their Conservative views from their parents, the groups in the Labour list are more likely to have got their Labour views from their parents.

Basically reinforcing my point.

LOL at some of the category names btw.

I loved how they say that in "impoverished elders" the proportion of old people is more than 3times the normal amount.

[Rainingshame]

(Original post by marcusfox)
Many will get their views from their parents and lifestyle, I would agree. Many will attempt to make up their own minds, look at the Liberal Democrat student vote based on an economic plan so secret it couldn't be delivered until after the election!!

It doesn't take anything away from the fact that most of those on TSR who are making up their own mind will have had no personal experience of living under a Conservative government that they would be old enough to remember, since Labour were elected in 1997, which was 15 years ago, and not many people under the age of 10 are interested or aware of politics, so they'd have to be 25 at least.

Those under 25 who make up their own mind to vote Conservative see through the last Labour government for what it was.

Those under 25 who make up their own mind to vote Labour in spite of Labour's failure, and no doubt it was a failure, can only be relying on two years of economic pain due to that prior failure, and horror stories of nasty Tories from the 80s. Where are they hearing these stories? I call it the 'Year Zero' effect of Maggie. Before that there was nothing, then suddenly this big bang and all history began with Maggie came to power. There was no Old Labour and no IMF bailout except in mythology.

New Labour left the country a trillion pounds in debt.

Yes Labour always gives to the poor, but it always gives what it can't afford.

Yes Labour are the nice guys treating us all to sweeties.

Yes the Tories are always nasty bastards for facing up to financial reality.

Yes there will always be those that favor Labour because Labour tells them what they want to hear.

Truth is, leaving the country a trillion pounds in debt is about as nasty as it gets, and when you factor in that it's not immediately apparent what it was exactly that we got in turn for all that spending, Labour comes across no better than a bunch of Mafia racketeers.

I'd like to point out that when Labour were in power the national debt dropped year on year, the only bad years were 2008-2010 (the recession dummy) It's still below where it was in the late 80's and so the idea that they gave out money they didn't have is ridiculous. That being said there are VERY few differences between the conservatives and Labour so the idea that we're here arguing is possibly the stupidest thing of all.

[pshewitt1]

...are you joking, every thread with a pro-conservative title get's negged to hell within a matter of seconds...

[meenu89]

I have always said and will continue to say that there is more of a left wing bias on TSR.

[Cheese_Monster]

A lot of people on the right make an excess of ten threads or more a day on exactly the same topic; I.e. Otkem on Labour voters, what movitates people to vote Labour, why are people on the left this and that.. within the space of a few hours while a lot on the left don't seem to make as big a fuss. You also get the idealists who have no personality so give themselves pseudonyms of their political idols i.e. the multiple TSR users with pictures of Margaret Thatcher, Classical liberal etc who don't have any of their own opinions, only manifest what they've read in a textbook and the soundbites from the media i.e. the words 'mess'...'inherited'....'Labour' ...'Wreck economy' blah blah blah.

[frankieboy]

(Original post by cl_steele)
because miliband is a socialist twerp who will sail HMS Great Britain up **** creek and then proceed to burn the paddles.

Agreed. No argument there.

On the other hand, Cameron is an ex Etonian toff who's first job was got through relatives and paid him 90 grand. He is about as out of touch with reality as it gets.

And Nick Clegg is a spineless marshmallow.

I think personally people ought to stop arguing about right wing/left wing and labour/conservative and realise these people will all screw us. Equally. Just in different ways.

[Hopple]

(Original post by pink pineapple)
Rencently, I've come across a lot of threads on here about how Labour 'destroyed our country'. Yes, they may have not made the country exactly brilliant but then people go on to say how they will only vote Conservative. But in reality, how have the Conservatives actually tried changed our for entirely for the better, except from cutting public services as an assumption that everything in the future will be perfect. Also, I really dislike the stereotype on here of the typical Labour voter e.g under-class, on the dole etc as I don't believe it to be true.

Students' first look at politics will have seen Labour in power when this whole mess took hold (prior to that as well, for some, but the boom's not looking so great now with the bust in effect). Whilst the Tories may be overusing the line that Labour screwed everything up and now has to be fixed, there is truth in that so people are willing to forgive cuts to some degree, and then weigh the 'unnecessary cuts' as they see them with what happened under Labour and still see the Tories come out on top.

Then you see Miliband still with a lot of the same crew who presided over the mess, but Cameron going some way to get new blood into his party and you have more reason to believe the Tories will be different from their past than Labour will be from its last period in power.

[pshewitt1]

am i crazy or is this just a repeat of a thread I was on earlier -_- same people, same arguments...?

[Snagprophet]

You can be conservative without liking the Conservative party. Same with Labour and socialists.

[pshewitt1]

(Original post by Snagprophet)
You can be conservative without liking the Conservative party. Same with Labour and socialists.

thank you for saying it

[anarchism101]

The only real period since WW2 where the two parties held markedly different fundamental positions was from Thatcher becoming Tory leader to Blair becoming Labour leader, i.e. 1975-94. Apart from that they've just held the same essential party lines, just tried to emphasize their variation within that line (i.e. Both want to be in the EU, neither want to join the Euro, but they still insist they are hugely different on the issue. Both supported the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars, and both now want to pull out of Afghanistan, but have a few differences on timetables or focus, etc).

Both sides have the unthinking supporters who'll back them no matter what for some unexplained reason, and there are always the unthinking switchers who'll just support the opposition 90% of the time because currently they don't have the chance to screw things up.

[Revoked_Tangerine]

(Original post by patrickinator)
thank you for pointing this out. You will be very unpopular but it is so true. Most pro-conservatives generally think for themselves and research whereas labourites have been told by their parents what to think.

anyways, UKIP

what about those people who vote labour because they still believe in some form of equality and a decent level of public services?

[CJKay]

My Mum is Labour and my Dad is Conservative. I side with Conservative because, while they might be posh ***** a lot of the time, it tends to be posh ***** that know what they're doing too.

[Snagprophet]

Party politics destroys this country. Just discuss the issues. I still think we should have an ancient Greece style of voting on each issue.