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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    No they weren't. After a year or two in government they were pretty unpopular and it stayed that way right through to 2010. It was just that the Tories were so horrifically unpopular that Labour couldn't have lost if they'd tried before Cameron became leader, and especially before 2003.
    As much as a government can be, they were popular. They won with a landslide in both 1997 and 2001.
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    (Original post by marcusfox)
    Also known as a pragmatist.

    Correct spelling and grammar also helps demonstrate that one is not in fact a moron, and a lack of such seems to demonstrate the opposite effect you were trying to achieve.
    interestingly, when typing on the internet spelling and grammar are not my main concern
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    (Original post by Revoked_Tangerine)
    And the Tories are the preferable alternative?

    Tactcher - high unemployment, culture of "greed is good" alienating people from each other and increasing inequality, awful levels of public services

    Major - essentially a weaker version of Thatcher

    Cameron - failed to get us out of recession despite all the cuts
    This is such a terrible post.

    Thatcher - did what was needed to be done to revive an economy that needed to be bailed out by the IMF because of socialism, increased standards of living dramatically, cut taxes, changed Britain from the sick man of Europe (because of Labour) to one of its strongest economies

    Major - I agree but still much better than anything the Labour party can offer. And besides, being a weaker version of someone as great as Thatcher isn't that bad.

    Cameron - do realise that cuts aren't supposed to cause short term growth right. They are supposed to cut the deficit. (and with this regard they are working well) If you really think that cuts are supposed to cause short term growth then you quite frankly have the political and economic knowledge of an average 12 year old and I'm being 100% honest when I say that.
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    (Original post by Sdiff)
    This is such a terrible post.

    Thatcher - did what was needed to be done to revive an economy that needed to be bailed out by the IMF because of socialism, increased standards of living dramatically, cut taxes, changed Britain from the sick man of Europe (because of Labour) to one of its strongest economies

    Major - I agree but still much better than anything the Labour party can offer. And besides, being a weaker version of someone as great as Thatcher isn't that bad.

    Cameron - do realise that cuts aren't supposed to cause short term growth right. They are supposed to cut the deficit. (and with this regard they are working well) If you really think that cuts are supposed to cause short term growth then you quite frankly have the political and economic knowledge of an average 12 year old and I'm being 100% honest when I say that.
    If Thatcher was such a great economic force, why did Britain go through a recession in 1981, and again ten years later in 1991. And why did unemployment peak at 3 million during her years of glory and success?

    Your points don't really have any evidence to back them up....
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    (Original post by marcusfox)
    The demographic here are usually students aged 16+

    Those with anti-Conservative opinions will have gotten them from their parents, and are probably way to young to see the damage done by Old Labour over 30 years ago.

    No matter the failures of Labour in the past 13 years, it's actually the fault of year zero Maggie Thatcher. All they hear about is miners this and miners that.

    Those with pro-Conservative opinions will probably have seen for themselves the results of the Labour government over the past few years and Labour is all they know. Anyone whose only experience of politics is living through that would be put off Labour for life.
    Such a biased post.

    you're more anti labour than you are pro conservative.
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    I an neither, but am not lib debs, i think more UKIP or indipendant.
    They are all as bad as each other, I wish i could sit down and say shut up picking at what each other are did and just get on with the job.
    To much self interest over their reputation.
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    (Original post by iSMark)
    Such a biased post.

    you're more anti labour than you are pro conservative.
    I think it is accurate to say that I would keep an open mind on other political parties, but I won't be voting for Labour, yes.

    Regardless, of how well, or otherwise, the Tories did (and clearly they did not win) there can be no doubt that Labour lost, doing as badly as when Michael Foot was defeated.

    Draw a line much south of Manchester and, apart from the usual pockets, Labour has once again become virtually unelectable.

    Labour has to ask itself why and remember that crucially they have to win back the hearts and minds of Middle England to ever dream of power again.

    For that lot, economic competence is king, mess up the economy and they will take years to forgive you, if indeed ever.

    I see no evidence that Labour are prepared to learn from their mistakes, indeed they are in complete denial of them.

    Instead of being stuck in their polytechnic degree (in made up subjects) 'Alice in Wonderland' world of the public sector, Labour really needs to get out a bit more into the real world.

    They need to understand why it is that virtually no hard pressed small or medium sized business owner (the sort that really know what makes an economy tick) would ever touch them with a barge pole and would rather face the thumbscrews than vote for them.

    When they've done that and, this time, properly learnt from it, they just might be trusted with power again.

    Thanks to their economic incompetence, by the time they next achieve power, this country will, just like in the eighties, have radically changed and just like then it will have been all of Labour’s doing because of the mess they left behind.

    If Labour do return it will be to a country where the last vestiges of their precious socialism, notably the NHS and state run education, will be unrecognisable.

    They will no doubt adapt to this in their usual manner by doing sod all about it.

    Oh they will moan about the nasty Tories but in truth, like with union reform and nationalisation, the Tories always end up doing Labour's dirty work for them.
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    (Original post by marcusfox)
    The demographic here are usually students aged 16+

    Those with anti-Conservative opinions will have gotten them from their parents, and are probably way to young to see the damage done by Old Labour over 30 years ago.

    No matter the failures of Labour in the past 13 years, it's actually the fault of year zero Maggie Thatcher. All they hear about is miners this and miners that.

    Those with pro-Conservative opinions will probably have seen for themselves the results of the Labour government over the past few years and Labour is all they know. Anyone whose only experience of politics is living through that would be put off Labour for life.
    My family have been long supporters of the conservative party, despite being working class and been screwed over by Tory governments time and time again, because their parents voted Tory as did their parents.

    I chose to support Labour by myself and have lived through Labour throughout my life. They're far from perfect but ultimately it comes between Labour and Conservative and out of the two I prefer Labour. Maggie Thatcher may have saved the economy of this country but she did so by making the people in it poor. I took the initiative to read up on her and her time as prime minister to find she did a lot more then screw over miners. Unlike my parents who blindly followed her.

    Just because you don't like someone else's opinion doesn't give you the right to discredit them like that and then label them as sheep who don't make informed choices. I wouldn't just assume someone who voted conservative because of what I've observed in my only family. I'd like to think you choose to support them because you have made the decision that they suit your views best and that's fine they're just not for me.
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    (Original post by marcusfox)
    Draw a line much south of Manchester and, apart from the usual pockets, Labour has once again become virtually unelectable.
    I guess you missed the local elections? They've showed just how electable Labour have become in the south winning councils in Plymouth, Reading, Norwich, Thurrock and Harlow amongst others.
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    (Original post by Sdiff)
    Cameron - do realise that cuts aren't supposed to cause short term growth right. They are supposed to cut the deficit. (and with this regard they are working well) If you really think that cuts are supposed to cause short term growth then you quite frankly have the political and economic knowledge of an average 12 year old and I'm being 100% honest when I say that.
    I believe Cameron and Osbourne sold their cuts as a way to roll back the state and allow the private sector to boom and lead to a strong recovery, which was needed, with the cuts, to reduce the deficit.

    Funny how they've dropped that rhetoric recently, eh?
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    (Original post by Captain Crash)
    I guess you missed the local elections? They've showed just how electable Labour have become in the south winning councils in Plymouth, Reading, Norwich, Thurrock and Harlow amongst others.
    It's almost certainly valid to shoehorn whatever takes your fancy onto the local election results, but they don't change the equation for the next General Election.

    Labour has staked everything on the coalition failing to turn the economy around, pretending there is a plan B, without ever offering it, because we all know there isn't one.

    You can't blame Labour for doing so, they hardly have much choice, but make no mistake it's a crap hand they have to play with.

    If the coalition turns the economy around, the medicine is seen to be working and it's way too early to say it isn't, they go into the next election on a – 'we’re to blame for the recovery and they’re to blame for the austerity' – ticket and, whichever way you read that, it's irresistible.

    Labour are like a football team facing relegation, without any games left and having to rely on all the other teams around them losing.

    The stakes could not be higher for them, lose the next one and it's going to be a long time before they get back into power.
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    (Original post by marcusfox)
    It's almost certainly valid to shoehorn whatever takes your fancy onto the local election results, but they don't change the equation for the next General Election.

    Labour has staked everything on the coalition failing to turn the economy around, pretending there is a plan B, without ever offering it, because we all know there isn't one.

    You can't blame Labour for doing so, they hardly have much choice, but make no mistake it's a crap hand they have to play with.

    If the coalition turns the economy around, the medicine is seen to be working and it's way too early to say it isn't, they go into the next election on a – 'we’re to blame for the recovery and they’re to blame for the austerity' – ticket and, whichever way you read that, it's irresistible.

    Labour are like a football team facing relegation, without any games left and having to rely on all the other teams around them losing.

    The stakes could not be higher for them, lose the next one and it's going to be a long time before they get back into power.
    Well, considering we were promised no double dip recession and we have exactly that, our borrowing has increased, and unemployment is at disasterously high levels, I think it's fair to say it's hardly going well.
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    (Original post by Revoked_Tangerine)
    As much as a government can be, they were popular. They won with a landslide in both 1997 and 2001.
    Again, that just means they were less unpopular than the Tories. 1997 was probably the only point where they did have some genuine popularity, largely because they weren't in government and because, as Blair always did, they'd focused more on being media-savvy and suchlike than having policies (and those policies that they did have, like opposing tuition fees and favouring electoral reform, they broke as soon as they came to power). In 2001, they won less votes than any winning party had since 1935 (and in more than half of the general elections in that period, they got less than the second party too).
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    (Original post by pink pineapple)
    Rencently, I've come across a lot of threads on here about how Labour 'destroyed our country'. Yes, they may have not made the country exactly brilliant but then people go on to say how they will only vote Conservative. But in reality, how have the Conservatives actually tried changed our for entirely for the better, except from cutting public services as an assumption that everything in the future will be perfect. Also, I really dislike the stereotype on here of the typical Labour voter e.g under-class, on the dole etc as I don't believe it to be true.
    Some people agree with that.
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    (Original post by marcusfox)
    It's almost certainly valid to shoehorn whatever takes your fancy onto the local election results, but they don't change the equation for the next General Election.

    Labour has staked everything on the coalition failing to turn the economy around, pretending there is a plan B, without ever offering it, because we all know there isn't one.

    You can't blame Labour for doing so, they hardly have much choice, but make no mistake it's a crap hand they have to play with.

    If the coalition turns the economy around, the medicine is seen to be working and it's way too early to say it isn't, they go into the next election on a – 'we’re to blame for the recovery and they’re to blame for the austerity' – ticket and, whichever way you read that, it's irresistible.

    Labour are like a football team facing relegation, without any games left and having to rely on all the other teams around them losing.

    The stakes could not be higher for them, lose the next one and it's going to be a long time before they get back into power.
    Not quite, the Conservatives, as you say, have claimed they can recover the economy, if they do, they will remain elected. If the media continue portraying the Conservatives as the middle/upper classes, tax breaks for the rich etc. and the economy continues as it is, Labour will likely be elected in.

    To continue your football analogy, the conservatives are Manchester City, if they don't win, chances are they'll lose the title.
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    I support the Tories because i believe the society should be freed from the burden of taxation as much as is practically possible, i believe in fiscal responsibility and i also believe in private sector involvement of public services (whilst maintaining the free at the point of service aspect to education and health).

    I am also of lower class lineage, my parents are on benefits and have been most of there lives, they are raging lefties who ideologically are similar to the BNP (bar them not being racist, though they oppose immigration). Because of the factors above i am ambitious and believe that via enacting the policies which i support, the aspiration of people like me can be realised.

    I am much more pro-Conservative than i am anti-Labour however in general i consider Labour to be incompetent and spineless.

    I would consider the Liberal Democrats but only if the Orange Bookers properly dominated the party and dropped the leftist elements.
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    (Original post by im so academic)
    Some people agree with that.
    well yes, but we need those as they are beneficial. You can't cut the essential services of the country so far with the assumption it will benefit the country when in fact, we need those services.
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    (Original post by Revoked_Tangerine)
    If Thatcher was such a great economic force, why did Britain go through a recession in 1981, and again ten years later in 1991. And why did unemployment peak at 3 million during her years of glory and success?

    Your points don't really have any evidence to back them up....
    Well firstly, if you really think that going into recession is a sign of a weak economy, you are wrong. (Unless of course the recession is as bad as this one - thanks Labour!)
    The current economic model comes with something called a "business cycle". Basically, the overall trend is growth, with an occasional minor recession every 10 years or so. The fact that you don't know this really shows me that you should not be discussing economic topics because you are quite frankly clueless about economics.

    For this reason, I should not waste my time on you. But I will re-iterate: Britain grew from the sick man of Europe; a basketcase economy; the Greece of the 1970's, with seemingly no hope for the future and was even more class ridden than today. Things got so bad that the IMF had to bail us out despite us being able to print. There were 3 day work weeks, uncollected rubbish and unburied bodies rampant, the undemocratic unions had destroyed the country. Before Thatcher, there were 29 million working days lost a year to strike action. After Thatcher, that figure was 2 million. Growth was once again higher than that of other European countries, getting up to 5%. Disposable income soared and the country was generally a lot richer.

    Almost nobody denies that Thatcher achieved great economic success. She forced the Labour party to shift massively to the right in order to get into power - unfortunately the underlying uselessness of that party remained and hence our economy is once again in a poor state. When will we ever learn?
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    (Original post by Captain Crash)
    I believe Cameron and Osbourne sold their cuts as a way to roll back the state and allow the private sector to boom and lead to a strong recovery, which was needed, with the cuts, to reduce the deficit.

    Funny how they've dropped that rhetoric recently, eh?
    They sold their cuts as a way to cut the deficit left by Labour which was at 13.5% and is now at 5.7%. The goal is Long Term growth and a low deficit and a small public sector is absolutely essential for that. This is accompanied by a reduction in short term growth but that doesn't really matter, unless of course you selfishly only care about yourself and do not care about the long term health of the economy.
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    TSR is pretty Tory, but I think this is because non-economics students think tory=free trade=prosperity=derpaderp

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