[Sovr'gnChancellor£]

So according Christianity and Islam etc and their respective books etc, God/Allah/YHWH etc is the creator of ALL things, no?

Having presumed that, questions now arise of how far His creations go?

I.e. Am I a creation of His?

A brief scenario:

It is 2098 and the Federal States of Earth have created a super-sentient AI-robot-technology which is fast replicating and improving in intelligence, speed of thought, creativity and technological advancement.

Is such a creation of man, a creation of God?

More relevant, is the automobile a creation of God? Is the internet a creation of God?

Responses?

[Arbolus]

I suppose they'd say that God made all those things indirectly through us. After all we call a lot of products today man-made even if the vast majority of the work is done by robots or automated processes, which happen to have been discovered or invented by humans.

[CodeRed]

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[Safiya122]

Yes you are a creation but I can't be bothered explaining why because it always leads to me going mental because I'm debating.

[justmyopinions]

Well without the intelligence created by God how in earth could we design things??? Duh it's like saying is this a creation of a robot or of man? We created a robot which created toothpaste tubes. We created toothpaste tubes.
Works the same way.

[yusuf123]

first of all let me just say(without being patronising) that this is a highly intelligent question, and one that i reckon any imam/preist etc would have to do some serious thought about before answering.

i would say that if, for example you were to invent something, say a computer programme then this would be regarded as your creation/invention. if this program was extremely intelligent and then created something itself, this is still your creation, as you designed the programme that designed this new programme. in the same way, if humans were to create this robot, then yes it is gods creation as he created you and allowed you to lie etc in order to create this robot.

[.eXe]

(Original post by yusuf123)
first of all let me just say(without being patronising) that this is a highly intelligent question, and one that i reckon any imam/preist etc would have to do some serious thought about before answering.

i would say that if, for example you were to invent something, say a computer programme then this would be regarded as your creation/invention. if this program was extremely intelligent and then created something itself, this is still your creation, as you designed the programme that designed this new programme. in the same way, if humans were to create this robot, then yes it is gods creation as he created you and allowed you to lie etc in order to create this robot.

No it's actually not an intelligent question at all lol

Look at his very first sentence. Look at the all-capital word.

The word ALL

Now what does that word mean? Does it somehow preclude him, or does it encompass him? How can one say that God creates all, and then ask, but did God create me? That's a nonsense question.

The question he has asked does not follow based on the very first premise he's outlined.

Second, if the future world creates an artificial AI technology capable of everything that a human can do, it will do one more thing that a human cannot, and which thus defines a human being's incapability. That thing is: immortality.

The fictional thing of the future he is talking about can theoretically live forever, under ideal conditions because it is mechanical, not organic.

Humans however, MUST die. Thus, that fictional being of the future is not human, and because it is not human but rather a creation of humanity, we cannot say that it is a creation of God.

If I create X and X creates Y, I do not create Y. However, does that mean I am incapable of creating Y? Nope, that is an illogical assumption and does not follow.

Thus, if God is omnipotent (having unlimited power), then it follows that God can create all. He can created something that no one else can achieve...a human being. Now if human beings themselves create another beings (a pseudo-human being), what does that have to do with God's abilities? God can create all that he wishes to, because of the very first premise that he is omniscient.

It's a really, really stupid question, just takes some time to explain.