[CJKay]

I don't vote for them because all the UKIP MP for our area could throw up was "leave Europe".

[Revoked_Tangerine]

(Original post by Dez)
UKIP is seen by most people to be a party full of incompetent, right-wing nutters. From my experience, this picture is mostly accurate as well. I dread to think what they'd be like running the country, with their pie-in-the-sky policies and completely moronic leader. People want their politicians to be capable and competent, something UKIP's candidates have constantly failed to prove themselves as.

yet they did pretty well in the local elections.

[patrickinator]

(Original post by JammyChoos)
Not at all. I despise the BNP. Whereas im neutral or try to be with UKIP.
Like i said before, all their other policies are not bad.

Explain to me at least how you think the UKIP would get rid of multiculturalism since it "split society" ??

Stop all outside immigration from the EU into the UK for 5 years and stop immigration from the EU. and this:
UKIP states that Britain and Britishness have been "betrayed by misguided politically correct ideology, extremist Islam and errant nationalism from within", that "Britain is a proud nation state, which does not wish its identity to be diluted or trivialised... and feel it is time to assert our independence, identity and traditions.

UKIP asserts that it believes in civic nationalism. UKIP "opposes multiculturalism and political correctness but rejects "blood and soil" ethnic nationalism. UKIP promotes uni-culturalism, a single British culture embracing all races, religions and colours". It states that Britishness can be defined in terms of belief in democracy, fair play and freedom.

[patrickinator]

(Original post by Dez)
UKIP is seen by most people to be a party full of incompetent, right-wing nutters. From my experience, this picture is mostly accurate as well. I dread to think what they'd be like running the country, with their pie-in-the-sky policies and completely moronic leader. People want their politicians to be capable and competent, something UKIP's candidates have constantly failed to prove themselves as.

WTF, what experience do you have, an avid blogger on the student room? You have no evidence to back up what you are saying and as for moronic leaders just look at milipede, Cameron and leggy. UKIP has failed because lack of media attention and they haven't pushed forward their good SPECIFIC POLICIES INSTEAD OF BULL**** BY THE MAIN POLITICAL PARTIES!

[NGC773]

People in this thread are so retarded

You can increase spending in some areas and cut in others.

[Dez]

(Original post by Revoked_Tangerine)
yet they did pretty well in the local elections.

Winning fewer seats than I have fingers is not what I'd consider doing "pretty well", personally.

[Doskey]

I believe that a lot of people think that UKIP is just 'BNP Lite'

[patrickinator]

(Original post by NGC773)
People in this thread are so retarded

You can increase spending in some areas and cut in others.

Thank you, you deserve a nobel prize!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dez]

(Original post by patrickinator)
WTF, what experience do you have, an avid blogger on the student room? You have no evidence to back up what you are saying and as for moronic leaders just look at milipede, Cameron and leggy. UKIP has failed because lack of media attention and they haven't pushed forward their good SPECIFIC POLICIES INSTEAD OF BULL**** BY THE MAIN POLITICAL PARTIES!

I've had the unfortunate luck of meeting Farage, and he's most certainly an idiot. He is completely unable to back up any significant claims with evidence, faltering at even the slightest bit of scrutiny on his party's key policies. He's also very poor at handling debate, and generally unpleasant to hold a conversation with.

Of course, I do not consider myself an expert on UKIP politicians, and lay no claim to that. Perhaps you have more substantial evidence of their competency, but so far in this thread all you've done is copy stuff out of their policy documents. Perhaps you should try backing up your claims, before asking others to do the same?

[Revoked_Tangerine]

(Original post by Dez)
Winning fewer seats than I have fingers is not what I'd consider doing "pretty well", personally.

Fair point, but the seats they did fight they did well in.

I'm not defending them, I'm just saying they must have some appeal - I know they're a protest vote for right wingers who have too much conscience to vote BNP.

[Cannotbelieveit]

(Original post by Dez)
I've had the unfortunate luck of meeting Farage, and he's most certainly an idiot. He is completely unable to back up any significant claims with evidence, faltering at even the slightest bit of scrutiny on his party's key policies. He's also very poor at handling debate, and generally unpleasant to hold a conversation with.

That's strange because on Question Time and other Political/Current Affairs TV shows/Radio interviews he seems to be brilliant at standing up to criticism.

[patrickinator]

(Original post by Dez)
I've had the unfortunate luck of meeting Farage, and he's most certainly an idiot. He is completely unable to back up any significant claims with evidence, faltering at even the slightest bit of scrutiny on his party's key policies. He's also very poor at handling debate, and generally unpleasant to hold a conversation with.

Of course, I do not consider myself an expert on UKIP politicians, and lay no claim to that. Perhaps you have more substantial evidence of their competency, but so far in this thread all you've done is copy stuff out of their policy documents. Perhaps you should try backing up your claims, before asking others to do the same?

'Ad hominem' if you don't know what this means then you should look it up.

[nixonsjellybeans]

Expand the defence budget by 40%??????
On a more serious note why may I ask?

[patrickinator]

(Original post by Cannotbelieveit)
That's strange because on Question Time and other Political/Current Affairs TV shows/Radio interviews he seems to be brilliant at standing up to criticism.

Thank you!!!!!

[justmyopinions]

UKIP I have trust issues on every other party, and Green and BNP aren't an option to me. UKIP are my first preference. Don't trust Lib Dems or Conservatives, and Labour it us into this mess.

[justmyopinions]

(Original post by Dez)
Winning fewer seats than I have fingers is not what I'd consider doing "pretty well", personally.

15% of the votes.

[patrickinator]

(Original post by nixonsjellybeans)
Expand the defence budget by 40%??????
On a more serious note why may I ask?

Why do you think Sherlock?

Hmmm, this is a case of the lost moneys:

http://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2011/1...on-black-hole/

[chefdave]

(Original post by Dez)
UKIP is seen by most people to be a party full of incompetent, right-wing nutters. From my experience, this picture is mostly accurate as well. I dread to think what they'd be like running the country, with their pie-in-the-sky policies and completely moronic leader. People want their politicians to be capable and competent, something UKIP's candidates have constantly failed to prove themselves as.

Whereas the EU is the epitome of competency A bankrupt continent on the verge of revolt (and in Greece civil war) and only UKIP and a handful of Tory backbenchers are prepared to tell the Emperor he has no clothes. Yes, the Big 3 are looking remarkably prescient by pursuing integrationism at all costs, and those UKIP 'Europhobes' who were warning since it's inception that the Euro had no chance are really looking silly now. Doh!

[patrickinator]

(Original post by chefdave)
Whereas the EU is the epitome of competency A bankrupt continent on the verge of revolt (and in Greece civil war) and only UKIP and a handful of Tory backbenchers are prepared to tell the Emperor he has no clothes. Yes, the Big 3 are looking remarkably prescient by pursuing integrationism at all costs, and those UKIP 'Europhobes' who were warning since it's inception that the Euro had no chance are really looking silly now. Doh!

Thank you, I am sure you were the guy who I put as head of the Centre party - do you remember that thread. I think we share very similar opinions. go UKIP! I mean centre party

[Dez]

(Original post by Cannotbelieveit)
That's strange because on Question Time and other Political/Current Affairs TV shows/Radio interviews he seems to be brilliant at standing up to criticism.

Do bear in mind that a lot of those are scripted, although to different extents. And all of them, bar live interviews, will be edited to remove boring sections. Not that I'm suggesting he can't hold a debate, but I have seen him falter and flounder previously. When proved incorrect, he doesn't usually have much of a comeback.

(Original post by patrickinator)
'Ad hominem' if you don't know what this means then you should look it up.

I'm not quite sure where ad hominem comes into this. You asked me to give reason for calling the leader of UKIP a moron, and I responded with an answer. Given this is a party leader we're talking about, not just a supporter, his character flaws are most certainly relevant to the question of the party's overall support.