[ITGIRL]

Ever time i Post on TSR i see location Scotland then I see scotland flag.... Same for wales users... However when i see English users most have the UK flag(Some have the england flag).

Is this some sign that students are becoming more patriotic on TSR? or do people just like the colour of there flag babies

[Miracle Day]

I'd rather be referred to as Welsh, than British. And let's face it.. a dragon is much better than the British flag?

[andrewmc96]

I consider myself Scottish, not British and so do most people I know. I guess Scotland and Wales have a stronger cultural identity than England.

[ITGIRL]

(Original post by Miracle Day)
I'd rather be referred to as Welsh, than British. And let's face it.. a dragon is much better than the British flag?

Why don't you like to be called british?

[Miracle Day]

(Original post by ITGIRL)
Why don't you like to be called british?

It's not that I don't like being called British, I'm proud of being British. It's just that I'd rather be called Welsh.

[Cyanohydrin]

Because Scotland and Wales are smaller constituent parts of the United Kingdom they feel a greater need to preserve their identities in a union in which England has a very large demographic majority. Personally I consider myself both Scottish and British, as do most people I know (unlike what Andrew claims) and I see no contradiction in both.

I also see a lot of England flags on this website actually - as well as regional ones like Devon and Yorkshire.

[andrewmc96]

(Original post by Cyanohydrin)
Because Scotland and Wales are smaller constituent parts of the United Kingdom they feel a greater need to preserve their identities in a union in which England has a very large demographic majority. Personally I consider myself both Scottish and British, as do most people I know (unlike what Andrew claims) and I see no contradiction in both.

I also see a lot of England flags on this website actually - as well as regional ones like Devon and Yorkshire.

We obviously know different people then

[Nick100]

I am Scottish, and as you can see I have a UK flag. You seem to be assuming that anyone with a UK flag is English.

[Snagprophet]

The main issue is the overuse of the UF here in England in ratio with the St George's Cross. I wish people had it out more because it's really being pushed as merely a football flag and a flag of hooligans. Perhaps it's because the George cross is on top of the UF, so Scottish people would rather show off the Andrew cross more clearly by using the Scottish flag. Wales is purely understandable.

And yes, it's got so bad that people assume everyone with a UF is English. It could be because five sixths of the UK is English so you get British centric names put on England whereas outside England you'd get Welsh and Scottish centric names for organisations.

I do hope a solution is found soon, because it is a retarded situation we're in. If being British is about the union, then what's the point of unionism is mostly preferred in England or if the British identity is only pushed on England.

Maybe it would've been a different situation if the UK capital had been outside of England or if the UK had more balanced 'members/partners' (England, Scotland and Wales aren't partners at all if you're trying to compare it to the EU or UN).

[No Man]

I wonder why Northern Irish people are more inclined to identify themselves as Irish rather than Northern Irish or British..

[Miracle Day]

(Original post by Snagprophet)
The main issue is the overuse of the UF here in England in ratio with the St George's Cross. I wish people had it out more because it's really being pushed as merely a football flag and a flag of hooligans. Perhaps it's because the George cross is on top of the UF, so Scottish people would rather show off the Andrew cross more clearly by using the Scottish flag. Wales is purely understandable.

And yes, it's got so bad that people assume everyone with a UF is English. It could be because five sixths of the UK is English so you get British centric names put on England whereas outside England you'd get Welsh and Scottish centric names for organisations.

I do hope a solution is found soon, because it is a retarded situation we're in. If being British is about the union, then what's the point of unionism is mostly preferred in England or if the British identity is only pushed on England.

Maybe it would've been a different situation if the UK capital had been outside of England or if the UK had more balanced 'members/partners' (England, Scotland and Wales aren't partners at all if you're trying to compare it to the EU or UN).

Yes. When I go on holidays, this is what I get all the time.. usually by ignorant Americans.

"Where are you from?"
"Wales"
"Oh, you're from England?"

"Where are you from?"
"Wales"
"Where's that?"
"The UK"
"Ohhh you're English!"

[Cyanohydrin]

(Original post by Miracle Day)
Yes. When I go on holidays, this is what I get all the time.. usually by ignorant Americans.

"Where are you from?"
"Wales"
"Oh, you're from England?"

"Where are you from?"
"Wales"
"Where's that?"
"The UK"
"Ohhh you're English!"

That must be really annoying...part of the problem is that the Welsh diaspora is a lot less vocal (and numerically large) as the Scottish and Irish.

I have met a lot of Americans who had no idea that Scotland was part of the United Kingdom They couldn't believe it was part of a country with England..

[L i b]

I'm Scottish, but I don't really have any attachment at all to the St Andrew's cross flag. I'm definitely a Union Jack man.

That doesn't necessarily mean I consider one part of my identity - Scottish, British, European, county, etc - more important than another. I value them all equally and find the concept of being, say, more British than English or more Welsh than British a bit two-dimensional.

[Psyk]

(Original post by andrewmc96)
I consider myself Scottish, not British and so do most people I know. I guess Scotland and Wales have a stronger cultural identity than England.

It's funny when people say that. You can "consider" yourself to not be British as much as you like. It's not going to change the fact that by being Scottish you are also British by definition. Both legally and geographically.

[L i b]

(Original post by Psyk)
It's funny when people say that. You can "consider" yourself to not be British as much as you like. It's not going to change the fact that by being Scottish you are also British by definition. Both legally and geographically.

I actually find it quite disturbing. Even if you don't consider yourself culturally British, it's the rejection of the other component - citizenship and civic identity - which bothers me. We are, after all, part of a common state, a common polity, chucked into the same democratic unit - identifying with that state is important. Certainly more important than a load of crap about cultural nationalism.

[hendycfc]

I hate being called British. I am Scottish and that is it. I despise the british government. I'm also in favour for breaking up the union so why would i want to call myself British?

[Cyanohydrin]

Celtic fan ^

[Left Hand Drive]

I see myself and identify myself as Scottish rather than British.

I am also a Celtic fan since cyanohydrin is pointing us out.

[Copperknickers]

I only use it really because it expresses where I live more accurately. I would use the flag of my city if anyone would recognise it. I do think Scots are Scottish first and British second, that is the general feeling in my experience, though by no means universal. You do get the odd extreme nationalist, but contrary to popular belief they are British nationalists: most Scottish nationalists are not greatly passionate, they just feel patriotic pride.

[madders94]

I identify as Welsh rather than British because I want to.
Problem?