[JacobW]

(Original post by MacCuishy)
You aren't part of the usergroup yet.

Why not come and join the Libertarians? I see you're friends with D.R.E

Are my talents that much in demand? You may not have seen above, but I'm in favour of heavily progressive taxation and massive intervention in the economy (one nation-style). And I'm sure you'd loathe my views on the death penalty, CCTV, or gay marriage!

Edit: I seem to be in the usergroup. Unless I've been ignominiously expelled and my userpage hasn't registered yet!

[JacobW]

(Original post by D.R.E)
JacobW enjoys jousting with me on the boards.

Always good to have a good joust.

[Ysolt]

Personally I think that the problem is that with a monarchy then citizens are politically unequal because some are born with more rights than others, and i dont think that's very fair. Also Birchington's right... a head of state should be a public position, not a private possession of one family. thats my personal take from a liberal perspective...

[MacDaddi]

(Original post by JacobW)
Are my talents that much in demand? You may not have seen above, but I'm in favour of heavily progressive taxation and massive intervention in the economy (one nation-style). And I'm sure you'd loathe my views on the death penalty, CCTV, or gay marriage!

All Libers are different. I am more Conservative than many of my Liber counterparts and until recently I supported the death penalty.

[Moleman1996]

(Original post by JacobW)
I am indeed (Conservative), but I don't think much of the leadership. Then again, I don't think much of anyone more liberal than Edmund Burke so that's not saying much!

Rakas is an excellent leader, its only this issue that has really divided the party, as it has all parties, and to be fair to him he's given us free reign to support whichever side we want.

[JacobW]

(Original post by Moleman1996)
Rakas is an excellent leader, its only this issue that has really divided the party, as it has all parties, and to be fair to him he's given us free reign to support whichever side we want.

I'm still a little baffled how a party divided over arguably the greatest constitutional revolution since the Civil War can call itself Conservative; but I didn't mean to rock the boat too badly.

[Moleman1996]

(Original post by JacobW)
I'm still a little baffled how a party divided over arguably the greatest constitutional revolution since the Civil War can call itself Conservative; but I didn't mean to rock the boat too badly.

We're conservative in name, but that doesn't mean we can't allow for change where needed. Personally I want the monarchy to remain, but I can understand why some don't and believe it to be in the best interests of the country to become a republic. We've simply passed a referendum, we are voting in said referendum as individuals, as will the ordinary TSR users, adn whilst in our lobbying groups we don't represent the party's views in any way shape or form

[JacobW]

(Original post by Moleman1996)
We're conservative in name, but that doesn't mean we can't allow for change where needed. Personally I want the monarchy to remain, but I can understand why some don't and believe it to be in the best interests of the country to become a republic. We've simply passed a referendum, we are voting in said referendum as individuals, as will the ordinary TSR users, adn whilst in our lobbying groups we don't represent the party's views in any way shape or form

Sure, I understand that, but it seems to me be essential to conservatism to have a strong disposition to preserve existing institutions; I think it would take some pretty convuluted reasoning to reconcile that disposition with republicanism. Either way, I'm not going to force the issue.

[Moleman1996]

(Original post by JacobW)
Sure, I understand that, but it seems to me be essential to conservatism to have a strong disposition to preserve existing institutions; I think it would take some pretty convuluted reasoning to reconcile that disposition with republicanism. Either way, I'm not going to force the issue.

in the MHoC our stance on the monarchy is usually insignificant anyway, this is the first time it's ever come to any sort of prominence, and even then its not hugely involved with our parties.

[barnetlad]

I hope all those in favour of the Monarchy living in London remember to get their Oyster cards commemorating the Diamond Jubilee.

[Rakas21]

(Original post by JacobW)
I'm still a little baffled how a party divided over arguably the greatest constitutional revolution since the Civil War can call itself Conservative; but I didn't mean to rock the boat too badly.

In my view what defines the Conservative Party nowadays is not 'conservatism' but our broad support of capitalism and thus whilst we are very united economically there are a wide range of social views ranging from almost Libertarian to very traditionally Conservative, i actually consider this a strength in that it gives us a great prospective on many bills because we are not limited (despite my support for constitutional reform i am quite 'conservative' in other issues such as my support for foreign intervention).

[Mechie]

(Original post by JacobW)
Edit: I seem to be in the usergroup. Unless I've been ignominiously expelled and my userpage hasn't registered yet!

As leader of the Labour party it's certainly not my job to recruit for the Conservatives, but according to your profile you're not in the usergroup. You're in the social group, but that doesn't really mean all that much. As part of the usergroup you'll get access to the sub-forum and help the Tories draft legislation etc. You can join here.

[JoeLatics]

(Original post by Metrobeans)
As you'll be aware, the House passed a bill to hold a referendum on whether or not we should retain the Monarchy and a date has been put forward for 25th May. I will need to get confirmation from the mods that this date is okay, but in the meantime we can start with preparing the campaign materials.

I think referendums provide a good opportunity for us to promote the Model House of Commons and connect with outsiders and so I will work to get this promoted around TSR.

I'm looking for two individuals to take on the role of campaign co-ordinators, heading up the YES and NO campaigns. Their responsibility will be to compose a campaign document/manifesto of no more than 250 words, outlining why people should vote for or against the referendum. They will need to liaise with HoC members, parties and potentially, people outside of the MHoC. The campiagn co-ordinators will request submissions from HoC members for use in their final documents. They will also be responsible for designing banners/images for people to put in their signatures.

Anyone who is interested should post in here and I'll select two people next Tuesday.

Feel free to ask any questions!

I'll coordinate the Republican side

[JoeLatics]

Which way round is the question? Seen both in this thread.

[toronto353]

(Original post by Moleman1996)
Rakas is an excellent leader, its only this issue that has really divided the party, as it has all parties, and to be fair to him he's given us free reign to support whichever side we want.

Slightly incorrect here. I would like to announce that the entirety of TSR UKIP will be campaigning for the retention of the monarchy.

[internetguru]

(Original post by JacobW)
I'm still a little baffled how a party divided over arguably the greatest constitutional revolution since the Civil War can call itself Conservative; but I didn't mean to rock the boat too badly.

You don't have to support the monarchy to be conservative.

[Moleman1996]

(Original post by toronto353)
Slightly incorrect here. I would like to announce that the entirety of TSR UKIP will be campaigning for the retention of the monarchy.

then I stand corrected, if all of TSR UKIP remain loyal, it is only a good thing for our chances of success

[Mazzini]

(Original post by JoeLatics)
Which way round is the question? Seen both in this thread.

I believe the question will be: "Do you wish to retain the monarchy of the United Kingdom?"

So "Yes" would be pro-monarchy and "No" would be pro-republic.

[Bax-man]

(Original post by internetguru)
You don't have to support the monarchy to be conservative.

Jacob wasn't claiming that there is a necessary connection between monarchism and conservativism, only that in the context of British politics there's a very strong contingent link.

[toronto353]

(Original post by Moleman1996)
then I stand corrected, if all of TSR UKIP remain loyal, it is only a good thing for our chances of success

TSR UKIP are staunchly pro-monarchy so I am sure that we will all remain loyal.