Was Thatcher a good Prime Minister? (POLL)
Discuss issues related to the politics of the UK, such as the actions of any MP, any current or potential law, or any other factor affecting the British political system.
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View Poll Results: Was Thatcher a good PM?
Excellent 47 35.61% Quite good 27 20.45% Average 5 3.79% Quite bad 15 11.36% Awful 38 28.79%
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Re: Was Thatcher a good Prime Minister? (POLL)Correct.(Original post by Aspiringlawstudent)
An awful lot of people seem to think that she is evil incarnate despite having a rather limited knowledge of her policies or what she actually did while in office.
And a lot of people that think she was the greatest PM ever also have a limited knowledge of her policies. -
Re: Was Thatcher a good Prime Minister? (POLL)
I don't know a great deal about the majority of her policies although I believe that her overall philosophy and political beliefs that were evident in her policy making were the deep roots of a considerable amount of social breakdown; placing and perhaps even encouraging financial gain as the greatest priority of all, for us all.
She defined her political philosophy in an interview in Woman's Own magazine in '87 and after mentioning how people within our society face problems and then look for support, she states "they are casting their problems on society and who is society? There is no such thing!"
For me that sums up a lot of the resulting issues that came after he leadership, most notably a lust for self gain - selfishness, greed and ruthlessness.
The same article also states that her supporters promote some of her achievments as "She oversaw an increase from 7% to 25% of adults owning shares, and more than a million families bought their council houses, giving an increase from 55% to 67% in owner-occupiers." I (and many others I hope) do not wish to live in a society in which 'owning shares' is placed as a bigger priority than eradicating poverty. Regarding the second point, we now face a current problem of having an acute shortage of social housing - to what extent I'm not sure, but surely Thatcher's grand state asset sell-off holds some accountability for this problem, and potentially many more? -
Re: Was Thatcher a good Prime Minister? (POLL)
I'd say 'Quite good'.
She was right to break the unions as they were huge, corrupt, bureaucratic bullies. She also greatly increased social mobility and raised the standard of living across the board.
However, I still cannot square the total lack of support she gave to people like the miners and dockers once they were out of work. She didn't even seem to try and get them back into work and the social consequences of that were horrific for thousands of people.Last edited by flugelr; 11-05-2012 at 18:30. -
Re: Was Thatcher a good Prime Minister? (POLL)
She was a terrible PM. She had no respect for places outside of England and she seemed to forget that she was running a Union. She put policies in place in Scotland which screwed over the working class to "test the waters" showing she had no respect for the local populus. Even in England she jumped at every chance she could to degrade the lives of those living in deprivation.
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Re: Was Thatcher a good Prime Minister? (POLL)Is that because you think 'working class folk' should automatically dislike Thatcher without thinking for themselves? Grand.(Original post by antimilitarist)
Most of us working class folk will have a similar reaction to this.
How about being able to buy your council home? No, lets focus on spitting image characters which seem to be ingrained on your mind.
As for the video, poor old guy was probably having a stroke. -
Re: Was Thatcher a good Prime Minister? (POLL)No, they should think of what her reforms have done for them which I think is pretty close to zero, especially for those in ex mining communities.(Original post by ForKicks)
Is that because you think 'working class folk' should automatically dislike Thatcher without thinking for themselves? Grand.
Blooming heck I was trying to lighten the mood with that video but obviously some people on here have no sense of humour. -
Re: Was Thatcher a good Prime Minister? (POLL)Buying council homes allowed them to get on the ladder cheap. There's one(Original post by antimilitarist)
No, they should think of what her reforms have done for them which I think is pretty close to zero, especially for those in ex mining communities.
Blooming heck I was trying to lighten the mood with that video but obviously some people on here have no sense of humour.
She also backed state schools and increased public spending. I think the whole negative image comes from her disruption of the unions. The pissed off unions then told every working class person who would listen that they were all being screwed over. This is why a lot of working class who denounce Thatcher will often just mention 'the unions' when asked why.
The unions were holding the country back and being inefficient though, so something had to be done!Last edited by ForKicks; 20-05-2012 at 21:28. -
Re: Was Thatcher a good Prime Minister? (POLL)Like completely smashing them? I think she did go a bit overboard and I would like to see anti trade union legislation being repealed today, some workers need to defend their jobs. Also when you mention the increase in public spending why is it that tories keep speaking negatively about Labour increasing spending on public services if they have appeared to have done the same?(Original post by ForKicks)
Buying council homes allowed them to get on the ladder cheap. There's one
She also backed state schools and increased public spending. I think the whole negative image comes from her disruption of the unions. The pissed off unions then told every working class person who would listen that they were all being screwed over. This is why a lot of working class who denounce Thatcher will often just mention 'the unions' when asked why.
The unions were holding the country back and being inefficient though, so something had to be done!
We've followed her free market consensus and this is where it's got us. Don't worry we now have a male version of her in Downing street whose privatising roads, parts of the police force and parts of the NHS so alls good for you.(Original post by ed-)
She was exactly what the country needed at the time; exactly what the country needs now. The best PM of modern times!
