[najinaji]

The main biological flaw with the idea of a 'master race' seems to be that consistently whittling down the gene pool leads to disability and deformity. However, as seen in Nazi Germany, those with disability were executed and thus removed from the gene pool.

What I'm asking is, say all people in a society wishing to create the 'master race' executed all people with disabilities, would those disabilities disappear from society? If you selectively bred children in a particular way (using Hitler's ideal as an example, blue eyes, blonde hair, tall, slim etc.), would this be theoretically manageable?

Disclaimer: I am not a Nazi and do not support the idea of the creation of a 'master race'. I am just curious to see what people think about the idea.

[Zara<3]

Er NO, that's just plain stupid, if you know any biology you will know that if people have sex from the same family i.e cousins this will lead to disabled children (high probablity) or if a person is a carrier of a disability then they may carry it on to their offspring but they may not know they are a carrier as they appear to be normal..so its absolute stupidity..same principle with blonde hair blue eyes!

[najinaji]

(Original post by Zara<3)
Er NO, that's just plain stupid, if you know any biology you will know that if people have sex from the same family i.e cousins this will lead to disabled children (high probablity) or if a person is a carrier of a disability then they may carry it on to their offspring but they may not know they are a carrier as they appear to be normal..so its absolute stupidity..same principle with blonde hair blue eyes!

I don't mean to be rude, but did you read the OP?

[ConnorB]

Disabilities occur through an error through the process of transcription and translation when DNA is replicated in the body, this could be as simple as a DNA bases being incorrect meaning an amino acid isn't coded, meaning the structure of an enzyme has an incorrect active site and as of a result, that speficic metabolic reaction does not occur.

Disabilities are not only through inheritance. So no. Also, when the "master race" is developed, the gene pool shrinking meaning there is more change of a mutation occurring, so again. No

[najinaji]

(Original post by ConnorB)
Disabilities occur through an error through the process of transcription and translation when DNA is replicated in the body, this could be as simple as a DNA bases being incorrect meaning an amino acid isn't coded, meaning the structure of an enzyme has an incorrect active site and as of a result, that speficic metabolic reaction does not occur.

Disabilities are not only through inheritance. So no. Also, when the "master race" is developed, the gene pool shrinking meaning there is more change of a mutation occurring, so again. No

Aha, very interesting. Thank you.

Even so though, supposing there was a continuous chain of disabled people being removed from society, would that mean that there would hardly be anyone left? Would the entire population be 'more disabled' than a more genetically mixed population?

[ConnorB]

(Original post by najinaji)
Aha, very interesting. Thank you.

Even so though, supposing there was a continuous chain of disabled people being removed from society, would that mean that there would hardly be anyone left? Would the entire population be 'more disabled' than a more genetically mixed population?

Well it depends what you count as disabled, would people with Asthma, hayfever, food allergies, even people with short-sightedness count as disabled? If so, then yes, they'd be a massive reduction in population

The human race finds a "techno-fix" around these problems, if you took that all away, we'd be less able to survive in our environment.

[Drake4Ever]

the master race already exists - Britains

[Nick100]

The problems with creating it far outweigh any benefits gained from its creation. Technology would make any master race created through artificial selection obsolete anyway.

[Classical Liberal]

Even if there was such a thing, what would be the point?

[anonstudent1]

(Original post by najinaji)
The main biological flaw with the idea of a 'master race' seems to be that consistently whittling down the gene pool leads to disability and deformity. However, as seen in Nazi Germany, those with disability were executed and thus removed from the gene pool.

What I'm asking is, say all people in a society wishing to create the 'master race' executed all people with disabilities, would those disabilities disappear from society? If you selectively bred children in a particular way (using Hitler's ideal as an example, blue eyes, blonde hair, tall, slim etc.), would this be theoretically manageable?

Disclaimer: I am not a Nazi and do not support the idea of the creation of a 'master race'. I am just curious to see what people think about the idea.

Throughout history plenty of great people who have achieved much have been disabled, Stephen hawking, the American presdent at world war 2, must be a load of others. Variety is good. Plus some peoples disabilities make them good at toher things like autistic people and maths (rain man is my only source here lol), but they've probably made some breakthroughs to. Oh and that film the beautiful mind, he had a mental disability and he made some important formula and that was based on a true story. Oh and the aviator, he had some kind of mental illness, achieved a lot and he had some kind of mental disability to I think.

[najinaji]

(Original post by anonstudent1)
Throughout history plenty of great people who have achieved much have been disabled, Stephen hawking, the American presdent at world war 2, must be a load of others. Variety is good. Plus some peoples disabilities make them good at toher things like autistic people and maths (rain man is my only source here lol), but they've probably made some breakthroughs to. Oh and that film the beautiful mind, he had a mental disability and he made some important formula and that was based on a true story. Oh and the aviator, he had some kind of mental illness, achieved a lot and he had some kind of mental disability to I think.

I'd find it difficult to class autism as a disability really... But I see what you're saying.

[bestofyou]

(Original post by Drake4Ever)
the master race already exists - Britains

[Gwalchgwyn]

Most disabilities aren't inherited. Most are caused by chance mutations. Theyre next to impossible to prevent.

[Cyanohydrin]

(Original post by Drake4Ever)
the master race already exists - Britains

Oh hai Cecil Rhodes.

[najinaji]

(Original post by Gwalchgwyn)
Most disabilities aren't inherited. Most are caused by chance mutations. Theyre next to impossible to prevent.

So the prevalence of these mutations increases with the reduction of genetic variation in the population?

[philistine]

You know those yoghurts with the two separate compartments; one for the topping, and one for the actual yoghurt? Well, the people who insist on spooning the topping into the yoghurt instead of just tipping it in- they are certainly disabled; freaks of nature, if you will.

The very notion of a master race is impossible should we allow for such reckless behaviour to exist.

[najinaji]

(Original post by philistine)
You know those yoghurts with the two separate compartments; one for the topping, and one for the actual yoghurt? Well, the people who insist on spooning the topping into the yoghurt instead of just tipping it in- they are certainly disabled; freaks of nature, if you will.

The very notion of a master race is impossible should we allow for such reckless behaviour to exist.

Have to admit I laughed.

[Gwalchgwyn]

(Original post by najinaji)
So the prevalence of these mutations increases with the reduction of genetic variation in the population?

Probably as theres less variation of genetics. Reducing population would be pointless though. Down syndrome people aren't made by down syndrome people - its just chance. Same with most disabilities.

The whole "master race" thing is a silly idea anyway. We're extremely young in the evolutionary process. If you look almost any creature with a shorter lifespan, the female is bigger, stronger, and more able than the males. Thats because its more useful. Currently females need males for protection and aid when their pregnant and vulnerable. Female dominant species don't have this problem as theyve evolved above that need because it doesn't work. Why do you think alot of guys find taller women attractive? Because theyre potentially stronger.

Humans have quite a long life cycle compared to other creatures. Because their life span is shorter, they evolve faster and thats why humans aren't at that point yet. The most evolved domain on this planet are probably swarm insects like Bees, Ants or Termites. They have like 10 super females which birth entire colonies and have sworn protectorates to keep them from harm. Just think of an ant, how its abilities compared to ours. We're pathetic in comparison. It can carry 4 times its own weight, never sleeps, can survive in water up to two weeks, eats very little and works with millions of others towards an unspoken goal that they just do like parts of a computer.

Until we evolve to that standard (which will take hundreds of millions of years) we will never have a "master race"

[Rakas21]

I actually believe that it could be workable but would not be practical to create (at least not in a liberal society such as ours).

Essentially all you would have to do is tip the scales in your favour by only allowing males over 6 feet tall to breed along with only people with an IQ in excess of say 130 and it is likely that you would have on average taller and smarter offspring on average, you then only allow this generation of offspring to breed if they meet said requirements (since some small, thick people would still be produced) and so on.

I quite like the idea of eugenics myself however due to the authoritarian nature of preventing others breeding, i do not think that it is practical to implement.