[HARRY PUTAH]

(Original post by Miraclefish)
Individual members of the services may be doing a wonderful thing by dedicating their life to a noble cause, but as a whole our armed forces have done very bad things in recent years.

From the conservative estimates of 100-150,000 civillians killed in Iraq alone, to the undeniable instances of soldiers torturing and humiliating prisoners, it's not hard to understand why people, both white British nationals and those of other cultures are angry.

They may well be acting out at the uniform rather than the person who wears it. Not everyone can or does make the distinction. There are many brave men and women in our armed forced, commanded by cowards and tyrants. But you never see the warmongers in the street.

LOL

Do you sing the derp song by any chance?

Our armed forces are a terrible thing? Oh so you would take the likes of the arabs? The pakistani/indian armies?

How about the chinese and russians? The South American armies or the African armies?

Rape, murder, pillage and destruction is what those militaries believe in and should you find any of those bearing down on you I would think you'd **** yourself so much that they may take a detour round the stink.

or perhaps hold out for hope that the US and UK military will send them packing because thats what many people in the world hope for when it gets down to it and they have an army bearing down on them.

[Drewski]

(Original post by HARRY PUTAH)
Stop beating about the bush.

They're muslims and asian ****hole areas that do this.

(Original post by justmyopinions)
Most will obviously be Muslim. Fact.

(Original post by badcheesecrispy)
Not surprised our troops were abused in Leicester, which is packed with foreigners of muslim demographic.

(Original post by Square)
this really makes me despair. Those calling them baby killers are probably the ones out in packs hunting for some pre-pubesecent white girls to molest in exchange for a packet of fags.

I've had it in city centre Manchester and Lincoln. Not particularly notable areas for such communities.

[Kenny_uk]

(Original post by Shabalala)
These are the sort of immagrints I don't want in this country who do they think they are if they hate Britain and it's culture some much why ****ing live here piss off back home and support your "mulim brothers". Even if they don't agree with wars in Afghanistan and the like don't dare be so ****ing disrespectful to the people who are being killed in them or who have seen friends killed keep it to your bloody self or get out of the country.

Are you stupid? I'm not even insulting you, I'm genuinely wondering how a person can lack the brainpower to comprehend that SOME people disagree with you. Not everyone who dislikes the armed forces is an Immigrant, not everyone who insults them etc is a MUSLIM. Infact, many of them are our own people, men and women who grew up much like you or I, but simply view the actions in the middle east as wrong etc.

For the record, I've always been a huge supporter of our armed services and their actions, and I certainly don't agree with insulting, abusing or assaulting soldiers, sailors etc.

[Cyanohydrin]

(Original post by Drewski)
You know what, as much as I'm not in the Forces anymore, I was for a while.

I wasn't all that bothered about having people 'show me respect'. Respect is earnt, not given blindly. I'm not famous, I didn't go out and win a VC. I didn't do anything to deserve a show of respect.

All I wanted was not to be actively disrespected. I didn't do anything to deserve that, either.

The fact is though, you are making me more unsafe by occupying countries around the globe. I don't "disrespect" you, I do however, pity those who sign up to become cannon fodder in morally dubious wars. This pointless war was lost long ago. In early October 2008, Brigadier Mark Carleton-Smith, outgoing commander of UK forces in Afghanistan, bluntly told a Sunday newspaper: "We're not going to win this war." He urged a "political settlement" with the Taliban. But we carried on fighting. I don't think the useless suits like Hammond and co would be so enthusiastic to continue this Afghan slaughter fest if their own children were in the firing line.

Apart from more unnecessary loss of our soldiers' lives, what is being achieved by staying in Afghanistan until 2014 as planned? The answer of course is nothing, but try to get a politician to admit that.

[ish90an]

(Original post by tehFrance)
What is wrong with you? it is more of a heroic service that what football players provide for the country and they get paid a lot less than them too.

How exactly does fighting to preserve the petrodollar in the Middle East and killing random people in far off parts of the world to make the country even more enemies a "service" for the UK? And what does pay have to do with anything?

[justmyopinions]

(Original post by Drewski)
I've had it in city centre Manchester and Lincoln. Not particularly notable areas for such communities.

Most*

[Drewski]

(Original post by Cyanohydrin)
The fact is though, you are making me more unsafe by occupying countries around the globe. I don't "disrespect" you, I do however, pity those who sign up to become cannon fodder in morally dubious wars. This pointless war was lost long ago. In early October 2008, Brigadier Mark Carleton-Smith, outgoing commander of UK forces in Afghanistan, bluntly told a Sunday newspaper: "We're not going to win this war." He urged a "political settlement" with the Taliban. But we carried on fighting. I don't think the useless suits like Hammond and co would be so enthusiastic to continue this Afghan slaughter fest if their own children were in the firing line.

Apart from more unnecessary loss of our soldiers' lives, what is being achieved by staying in Afghanistan until 2014 as planned? The answer of course is nothing, but try to get a politician to admit that.

I'm doing it? Because I as a serviceman chose to engage the UK in action in both Iraq and Afghanistan?

And what's being achieved in Afghanistan now? Not a lot. What are we trying to achieve? Leaving the country in a position where it can look after itself. Fulfilling a moral obligation after going in and tearing it up so that the people there may have the tools - both physical and mental - to try and sort themselves out. Not at least trying that would be worse than just walking away, those lives would have been lost for even less.

[Steevee]

(Original post by Perseveranze)
No one appreciates a bunch of child murders, rapers and torturers. To feel appreciated, you'd think the Brits were mental. Thankfully that is not the case.

But you seem to appreciate Mohamnmed?



I went there

[Miraclefish]

(Original post by HARRY PUTAH)
LOL

Do you sing the derp song by any chance?

Our armed forces are a terrible thing? Oh so you would take the likes of the arabs? The pakistani/indian armies?

How about the chinese and russians? The South American armies or the African armies?

Rape, murder, pillage and destruction is what those militaries believe in and should you find any of those bearing down on you I would think you'd **** yourself so much that they may take a detour round the stink.

or perhaps hold out for hope that the US and UK military will send them packing because thats what many people in the world hope for when it gets down to it and they have an army bearing down on them.

Is it enough to be the best of the worst? I don't think so. We still have veterans of WWII living among us, veterans of unimaginable times and hardships. We should aspire to be the best we can be.

Re-read my post, at no point have I disparaged the honour and intent of the serving men and women, or the good work that the forces have done and hopefully will continue to do.

My point was that the bad things they have done will overshadow the good work, as that is the nature of things. And the bad things done in our name should shame every one of us.

[Steevee]

(Original post by Miraclefish)
Individual members of the services may be doing a wonderful thing by dedicating their life to a noble cause, but as a whole our armed forces have done very bad things in recent years.

From the conservative estimates of 100-150,000 civillians killed in Iraq alone, to the undeniable instances of soldiers torturing and humiliating prisoners, it's not hard to understand why people, both white British nationals and those of other cultures are angry.

They may well be acting out at the uniform rather than the person who wears it. Not everyone can or does make the distinction. There are many brave men and women in our armed forced, commanded by cowards and tyrants. But you never see the warmongers in the street.

And the vast majority of those civilians that have died in Iraq have been killed by the insurjent forces. More have been killed by the inadequatley trained Iraqi Police and Army. More have been killed with accidental crossfire and such like when NATO forces are attacked in built up civilian areas with insurjents trying to us civilians as shields.

Don't quote civilian casualty figures at us and then try and blame our forces for them. They are not. Collateral happens in all wars, it's not an avoidable thing, but when you look at who is killing the civilians and why those casualties are occuring you seem it's not the fault of the the NATO troops 75% of the time.

[Felchingman]

(Original post by ish90an)
How exactly does fighting to preserve the petrodollar in the Middle East and killing random people in far off parts of the world to make the country even more enemies a "service" for the UK? And what does pay have to do with anything?

The majority of soldiers have no idea why they're fighting, they're just obeying orders.
In the USA, soldiers are praised, perhaps quite naively, but it is a good thing they're serving their country.

[Carecup]

Just cause your anti-war doesn't mean your anti-troop.

Unlike what some posters have said here I doubt you'll find many anti-troop lefty or liberals.

[Steevee]

Just to add to this thread.

In my Cadet uniform, I have been mistaken for TA and was mildly abused by some skater kids

[CJM13]

(Original post by BigBadSaint)
if you as a result of orders were to kill a child.

Service personnel are permitted to refuse to obey an order if it defies rational thought.

[Cyanohydrin]

(Original post by HARRY PUTAH)
Stop beating about the bush.

They're muslims and asian ****hole areas that do this.

Well it isn't a surprise is it? Given the British military has been invading Muslim and Asian counties in the last decade? They are a lot brighter than you anyway, a racist who unconditionally supports the actions of a moronic and warmongering political class. This sort of thing happened all the time in the Vietnam War in the USA - the political class have learnt this and made any criticism of our military involvement overseas or criticism of the military itself as seen as unpatriotic or some other bull, they learnt the lessons of the Vietnam War (where press coverage can make public opinion very hostile to military involvement). In contrast, in this dumb country, our public are talking about dancing dogs and football - as opposed to questioning why two more British soldiers died in central Asia this morning.

(Original post by Drewski)
I'm doing it? Because I as a serviceman chose to engage the UK in action in both Iraq and Afghanistan?

And what's being achieved in Afghanistan now? Not a lot. What are we trying to achieve? Leaving the country in a position where it can look after itself. Fulfilling a moral obligation after going in and tearing it up so that the people there may have the tools - both physical and mental - to try and sort themselves out. Not at least trying that would be worse than just walking away, those lives would have been lost for even less.

Yes. British military actions (particularly Iraq) have shamed and disgraced this nation over the last decade (and in the case of Scotland, public anger over this very issue may well be a tipping point to actually break up this nation in the 2014 referendum over independence). You are just generating hostility towards Britain, and participiated in war in which upwards of 115,000 Iraqi civilians died and created over 1,000,000 refugees who fled the violence in post 2003 Iraq. The British military itself was directly involved in the torture and murder of civilians in Iraq.

If the west wishes to pour money, (which it doesn't have), and lives (which we cannot spare) into perpetuating a civil war, which it started and spent a decade and a half boasting of its cleverness for doing so, as the pundits and politicos laughed about Russia's Vietnam, (and jeered at the Red Army casualties, including the soldiers skinned alive by the "taliban" Washington and Islamabad sponsored and Riyadh paid) then we are stupid.

Clearly one reason is that British politicians are unable to admit that the 409 British service personnel who have been killed and thousands of others injured have made their sacrifice for nothing. Nothing has been achieved in Afghanistan except a vast, reckless waste of human lives and financial resources. All that is left is political pride.

If the children of British MP's were fighting in this conflict we would be out of Afghan next week. Sad fact.

[Stiff Little Fingers]

(Original post by badcheesecrispy)
Not surprised our troops were abused in Leicester, which is packed with foreigners of muslim demographic. Note 'baby killer'- lmao.

Abusing a man because of what he is wearing and who he is, yet that is what muslims go on about happening to them all the time.

This article and story is disgusting and shows the joke the UK has become.

Well someone clearly hasn't been to Leicester and instead is foolish enough to take the media at face value. It's a diverse population, but it's far from "packed with foreigners".

Now then, while I don't support the troops or wars, to abuse people for doing something their lying cock-suckers of bosses (the government) ordered is a bit pathetic and unnecessary.

[CJKay]

(Original post by Shabalala)
I see the negative response team has started I suppose you are one of those immagrints who despise British culture or perhaps a left wing self loather

I'm a centre-right-wing guy with strong British ancestry and I neg'd you. Unlucky.

[MonkeyMan2009]

(Original post by tehFrance)
So I was reading the Telegraph and I stumbled across this article about how Armed service personnel are often disrespected and I personally think that it is a disgrace, these brave men and women are putting their lives on the line for us.

I have to ask what is why do people disrespect them? I get that some people are anti-war and think that all wars are about oil and that our brave men and women are pawns but that is no reason to be disrespectful to them.

What are your opinions TSR?

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I'm anti-war, against the iraq/afghansitan invasion/occupation but am not "disrespecting" the squaddies who risk their lives in such countries.

[Poppy-Fields]

I think it's foul that people behave like that to our armed forces. Our armed forces are heroes. Every single one of them.

I'd rather marry someone from the armed forces than someone who sits on their backside and claims benefits... and lets face it... those are the people who are likely to be doing the insult throwing.

[Cyanohydrin]

(Original post by badcheesecrispy)
Not surprised our troops were abused in Leicester, which is packed with foreigners of muslim demographic. Note 'baby killer'- lmao.

Abusing a man because of what he is wearing and who he is, yet that is what muslims go on about happening to them all the time.

This article and story is disgusting and shows the joke the UK has become.

Actually the strongest hatred of the British military will be found in Irish Catholic communities in places like Glasgow.

This from a Celtic FC match last year...