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  1. gavinlee's Avatar
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    C1 Max/Mim
    Good evening all,

    I've come across a question which I simply don't understand! It's:

    "For the curve with equation 3x^2-x^3 show that y is decreasing when x^2-2x>0


    Help!!!:eek:
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    Re: C1 Max/Mim
    (Original post by gavinlee)
    Good evening all,

    I've come across a question which I simply don't understand! It's:

    "For the curve with equation 3x^2-x^3 show that y is decreasing when x^2-2x>0


    Help!!!:eek:
    Well, what does 'y is decreasing' mean in terms of calculus?
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    (Original post by gavinlee)
    Good evening all,

    I've come across a question which I simply don't understand! It's:

    "For the curve with equation 3x^2-x^3 show that y is decreasing when x^2-2x>0


    Help!!!:eek:
    Remember 'y' decreasing means negative gradient(i.e. dy/dx < 0).
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    yeah, y decreasing means a negative gradient, a decreasing function. But I don't know what else to say?
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    (Original post by gavinlee)
    yeah, y decreasing means a negative gradient, a decreasing function. But I don't know what else to say?
    did you differentiate?
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    Re: C1 Max/Mim
    No, haven't differentiated.
    3x^2-x^3 differentiated isn't x^2-2x&gt;0 it's  6x-3x^2
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    (Original post by gavinlee)
    No, haven't differentiated.
    3x^2-x^3 differentiated isn't x^2-2x&gt;0 it's  6x-3x^2
    You know you need gradient <0 so you need to differentiate

    You now have 6x-3x^2&lt;0

    Can you not see what to do next?
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    (Original post by gavinlee)
    No, haven't differentiated.
    3x^2-x^3 differentiated isn't x^2-2x&gt;0 it's  6x-3x^2
    When y is decreasing gradient is less than zero.

    So  6x-3x^2 &lt; 0

    Now try to get the form given in the question.
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    Re: C1 Max/Mim
    The form from:3x^2-x^3

    to:

    x^2-2x&gt;0 ?
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    (Original post by gavinlee)
    The form from:3x^2-x^3

    to:

    x^2-2x&gt;0 ?
     6x - 3x^2 &lt; 0 \implies 2x - x^2 &lt; 0

    Remember, multiply or dividing by a negative number flips the inequality sign.

    Multiply throughout by  -1

     - 2x + x^2 &gt; 0

    Sorry for posting the answer, but as the exam is approaching, i didn't wanted to waste your too much time on a simple question.
    Last edited by raheem94; 14-05-2012 at 22:52.
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    Thanks for your help. I'll look at it again tomorrow, maybe I'll be able to understand it then.

    Thanks
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    (Original post by gavinlee)
    Thanks for your help. I'll look at it again tomorrow, maybe I'll be able to understand it then.

    Thanks
    What is difficult to understand in it?

    We know y decreases when its gradient is less than zero.

    We just need to differentiate and then do some simple manipulation to get the answer.
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    Have you tried drawing the actual curve on a graph? That way it is easier to visualise, you can then pinpoint the exact location where the gradient starts to decrease as chances are you've probably worked this out somewhere in the question before.

    Sorry this answer is very vague, don't have a pen and paper near me and can't really work this out by looking at it, but was doing a past paper before and a question similar to this came up.
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    Thanks everyone. Looked at it this morning with a fresh pair of eyes and it totally made sense.
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