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    Anyone thinking about watching it tonight? Seems very seedy but I'm curious..
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    They're basically hookers with an elaborate front. Funny ****.
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    That's disgusting, I won't watch it, it will make me too angry
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    The girls are horrible for doing it. But the men that actually buy them the gifts are just as bad, if not worse, for spending ridiculous amounts of money on a girl they have just met, just to get into their knickers! More fool them. Thousands of pounds on a woman you've just met? Come on?!
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    Sounds interesting. Will this be on iPlayer/ITV Player/4OD/Five on Demand, as I don't have a television?
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    Moral of the story. Get the gash, before you splash the cash.

    In all honesty, the men and the women are just as bad as each other. But being a man, naturally I'd have to side with the men.
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    Sounds like half the girls I know. Won't be watching.
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    Our society is completely used to the idea of female sexuality as commodity, consciously or unconsciously. Men have been buying women in some form or other for generations and still do so who can really say they're surprised?
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    (Original post by JCC-MGS)
    Our society is completely used to the idea of female sexuality as commodity, consciously or unconsciously. Men have been buying women in some form or other for generations and still do so who can really say they're surprised?
    I really hope you're not suggesting this is patriarchal oppression!

    Weighing in once more, I should probably point out that the men probably get off on being teased, used and "rinsed" - there is a thriving dominatrix genre on this theme. They are complicit rather than naive, and they can all afford the money. However the women are still the villains of the piece, as they are playing on the men's vulnerabilities and building up their own egos into something self-serving and manipulative.
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    (Original post by JCC-MGS)
    Our society is completely used to the idea of female sexuality as commodity, consciously or unconsciously. Men have been buying women in some form or other for generations and still do so who can really say they're surprised?
    I think it works both ways, some women have used their sexuality to get what they want for centuries, its not a new thing and I think most people are aware whats going on.

    In the programme though it did seem quite exploitative and seedy. I think also the types of men these women were dealing with was clearly shaping their view of the gender. The idea that it was perfectly right that the men should pay, and they "deserve" the gifts and money for "being nice and talking to them". They certainly had little respect for their "clients"/employers.

    They described themselves as "empowered", essentially as feminists, yet reliant on the success and wealth of men. Its a funny old game.

    Ah well if the guys are willing to pay for it fair enough, although I'd assume escorts are a lot cheaper and more honest about their intentions.
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    The guy is paying 50 pounds every 10 mins just for a chat with an average looking girl. WOW. Why why why. why doesnt he get an escort, hel get more thank a chat aswell.
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    (Original post by RJ555)
    I think it works both ways, some women have used their sexuality to get what they want for centuries, its not a new thing and I think most people are aware whats going on.
    I'm not talking about women using their sexuality to get what they want. I'm talking about men giving women what they want in exchange for their sexuality. What is the real issue here, that these women extort money by using their sexuality, or that these men were already prepared to buy it?
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    I think we first need to look at who the girls go for. The models rinsing guys are through fans, no doubt, who have some understanding that they may never meet her but may be able to experience her personally, especially with a gift no doubt.
    The other girls are different, they hunt for a man who they can entice. I think it was best shown at the end where she spots a man sitting alone and decides its time to strike.
    A third type is shown with the dominatrix show but that was too wacky xD
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    Dunno what was supposed to be so new about it... Dunno if they edited this show to make the women look bad but apart from the one with a fansite they seemed to hate mens guts. There was a doc about women doing phone sex lines and those sex line women didn't rule out ever having boyfriends like the gold diggers tonight.
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    (Original post by deon70)
    The models rinsing guys are through fans, no doubt, who have some understanding that they may never meet her but may be able to experience her personally, especially with a gift no doubt.
    That was quite possibly the worst attempt at a sentence I've ever read. Care to translate?
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    (Original post by Arekkusu)
    I really hope you're not suggesting this is patriarchal oppression!

    Weighing in once more, I should probably point out that the men probably get off on being teased, used and "rinsed" - there is a thriving dominatrix genre on this theme. They are complicit rather than naive, and they can all afford the money. However the women are still the villains of the piece, as they are playing on the men's vulnerabilities and building up their own egos into something self-serving and manipulative.
    I'm not sure if a fetish counts as a vulnerability. I agree with JCC in that our society has commodified female sexuality and perhaps this is what causes men to think women can be bought; if it's this notion guiding these men then I have no sympathy for their lack of ability to think rationally and realise buying a woman expensive **** does not entitle you to sex with her.

    At the same time these women can hardly claim to be neofeminists because they're attacking the players instead of the game and just bolstering this whole sexual commodification agenda.

    But, put simply, they're 'making the best out of a bad situation'. Yes they may be exploiting guys who are willing to pay them for their sexuality, but they're turning a system that's already in place on it's head and they can't be criticised for using what is expected of them to their own advantage.
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    (Original post by PurpleMonkeyDishwasher)
    I'm not sure if a fetish counts as a vulnerability. I agree with JCC in that our society has commodified female sexuality and perhaps this is what causes men to think women can be bought; if it's this notion guiding these men then I have no sympathy for their lack of ability to think rationally and realise buying a woman expensive **** does not entitle you to sex with her.

    At the same time these women can hardly claim to be neofeminists because they're attacking the players instead of the game and just bolstering this whole sexual commodification agenda.

    But, put simply, they're 'making the best out of a bad situation'. Yes they may be exploiting guys who are willing to pay them for their sexuality, but they're turning a system that's already in place on it's head and they can't be criticised for using what is expected of them to their own advantage.
    The men are clearly insecure; fetishes do not exist in a vacuum. I can't believe you can take that patronising tone for the men's supposed entitlement issues and not for the women's much more repulsive entitlement issues.

    The men believe money can buy them sex because that's what the patriarchy has told them. They have internalised insecurities that mean they think getting laid is the single most important thing in the world. Why do men force themselves to kneel at the feet of women in this way? Why must women routinely exploit it?

    I haven't had time to watch the programme but posts suggest the women's attitude is long past misandry and into sheer spite. The central tenet of dominance relationships is that it's all a game and everyone is just playing roles; this is clearly not the case here. The relationships are abusive and the women are in the realm of sociopathy.

    I do not routinely criticise people for using circumstances to their own advantage; that's the way the world works. I personally believe however that women have vastly more opportunity than men. Thankfully, less women are heartless than men, but it goes to show that when you have one who's worked out how to play the system and has no remorse, all hell breaks loose in a way that couldn't happen the other way round.

    Sorry for my belligerence but this really does make me angry.
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    (Original post by Arekkusu)
    The men are clearly insecure; fetishes do not exist in a vacuum. I can't believe you can take that patronising tone for the men's supposed entitlement issues and not for the women's much more repulsive entitlement issues.
    I don't think the women feel that they are entitled to money just because they're talking to rich guys; they just simply know that they'll get it. When one of the men on the programme started shouting at one of the women, they left, they didn't claim to be entitled to any more than what they'd already been given. They're spiteful of conventional patriarchy and the fact that men think they can be bought for sex so they allow them to spoil them and don't 'reward' them afterwards. Their point is to show that sex is not a commodity and is something, for them, much above and beyond simple material things that money can buy. I think they feel insulted that these men think it isn't.

    (Original post by Arekkusu)
    The men believe money can buy them sex because that's what the patriarchy has told them. They have internalised insecurities that mean they think getting laid is the single most important thing in the world. Why do men force themselves to kneel at the feet of women in this way? Why must women routinely exploit it?
    You're making out these men to be way more innocent than they actually are. If anything, being 'rinsed' would just show them they need to change their attitude towards women. Patriarchy has empowered men and oppressed women, not the other way around. It hasn't made men insecure, it's just given them a false sense of confidence in believing they need no more than a hefty income and bank balance to get sex/a relationship. Getting laid is usually a high priority on any man's list, it's just a natural instinct. Of course, girls that do allow themselves to be bought further this belief but that's their fault not the fault of women in general.

    (Original post by Arekkusu)
    I haven't had time to watch the programme but posts suggest the women's attitude is long past misandry and into sheer spite. The central tenet of dominance relationships is that it's all a game and everyone is just playing roles; this is clearly not the case here. The relationships are abusive and the women are in the realm of sociopathy.
    Getting laid is a game to men like this; ever heard of the 'pick-up artist'? Except these men clearly think it's much less complex than Neil Strauss does.

    (Original post by Arekkusu)
    I do not routinely criticise people for using circumstances to their own advantage; that's the way the world works. I personally believe however that women have vastly more opportunity than men. Thankfully, less women are heartless than men, but it goes to show that when you have one who's worked out how to play the system and has no remorse, all hell breaks loose in a way that couldn't happen the other way round.
    What would you suggest then? That pretty women are never friendly to rich, ugly men? If these men continue to insult women by buying them expensive things and believing they're gonna get laid because of it, women are going to respond in whichever way they feel necessary to show they're not objects.
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    The bleached scouser and the night club stilt walker were both single mothers... Perhaps they were trying to make up for 'giving it up too cheaply' in their earlier lives. :unsure:
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    As a business you gotta say it works, these girls are making huge amounts of money just being giving their attention to a guy, although some people on here compare it to escorting these girls don't have to do anything they don't like so really they have multiple sugar-daddies getting them free stuff.

    As for the men who do this perhaps they don't want to go to an escort, there is definitely a demand for the submissive phone sex niche among corporate managers during the day they give out the orders and are in charge of everything, when they leave to get home they like to be dominated over the phone :unsure: each to their own i guess.

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